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I wonder if anyone can help transcribe this place in Gloucestershire one of my ancestors has given as his birthplace in the census records. All the major Genealogy websites seem to have trouble transcribing the place.
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The first looks like Barra, and the second like Burrow. The closest I could find in Gloucestershire was this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrow,_Gloucestershire
Queenie :)
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Welcome from me too.
I agree, I think Barrow is most likely. Not sure which time period you are talking about - not much there, just a farm and a few cottages by the look of it in 1880s.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/109723998
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My family are from Gloucestershire/Wiltshire and the W at the end of a Word stays silent, hence Barra
GENUKI Boddington
etc etc
BARROW, a township in the parish of Boddington, hundreds of Tewkesbury and Westminster in the county of Gloucester, 5 miles to the S of Tewkesbury.
From the National Gazetter of Great Britian and Ireland (1868)
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https://coaley.net
Has very useful information (under the Heading: Local History)
It has the population tables and acres for Gloucestershire from 1801-1901
Place:
BODDINGTON
930 acres
Population:
1801: 273
1811: 338
1821: 413
1831: 421
1841: 414
1851: 443
1861: 392
1871: 455
1881: 412
1891: 370
1901: 402
Divided say by 6 in a household, not too many families at all.
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Thank you QueenoftheWest, maddys52 and Capetown.
I did originally think it could be Barrow but talked myself out of it when I couldn't find anything in the parish records. The information about the 'W' being silent in Barrow is making me reassess that now. That would certainly fit with what it says in that one census entry, with it being spelt phonetically.
The person's surname is 'Giles' and there seems to be so few people in that north Gloucestershire area with that surname, so I was beginning to think it could have been Berrow in Somerset where that surname is more common.
I'll refocus on Barrow, thanks again.
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What is his first name, perhaps we could have a look for his baptism too. :D
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His name is Joseph Giles. He was born sometime between 1821-1834. He gives a variety of dates for his birth, probably because his wife was much younger, the most common date he gives is 1829. On his marriage certificate his father's name is also Joseph Giles. I can't seem to find him on the 1841 or 1851 census either. Any help would be appreciated.
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What is Joseph’s occupation?
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I don't seem to be able to find the censuses you included snips of, what are the census references please? Also, who did he marry, and where, extra information could be helpful to find him earlier. :D
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This may be an earlier generation, as Christian names often run in families, and Tewkesbury is only about 6 miles from Barrow and the River Severn and the River Avon meet, the Severn flowing down from Wales and the Avon on its way from Stratford.
From the Forest of Dean website
Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730 - 1823
15 December 1768
Joseph GILES - Batchelor
occupation: Framework Knitter
residence: Tewkesbury
Sarah JONES - Spinster
residence: Tewkesbury
Marriage by Bonds
He signs
Witness 1: Thomas GILES a Framework Knitter of Tewkesbury
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The Licence gives more information
Joseph GILES is aged 24
Sarah JONES is 23
To Marry at Tewkesbury, sworn before H JONES
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I don't seem to be able to find the censuses you included snips of, what are the census references please? Also, who did he marry, and where, extra information could be helpful to find him earlier. :D
1861 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7T3-1QW
Other censuses are linked to Joseph's FamilySearch profile:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/G3Q8-L98
Marriage certificate gives his father's occupation as 'deceased', unfortunately.
Queenie :)
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Thanks everyone for your help so far.
I don't seem to be able to find the censuses you included snips of, what are the census references please? Also, who did he marry, and where, extra information could be helpful to find him earlier. :D
1861 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7T3-1QW
Other censuses are linked to Joseph's FamilySearch profile:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/G3Q8-L98
Marriage certificate gives his father's occupation as 'deceased', unfortunately.
Queenie :)
Yes the census record QueenoftheWest posted is my Joseph Giles. He married Maria Cox in 1858 in Trevethin, Monmouthshire, eventually moving to Blaenavon in the same county. Maria Cox is from Bristol and it's quite possible Joseph may have lived in Bristol for a period and met her there. And yes the marriage certificate doesn't give the father's occupation, it does just say deceased.
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This may be an earlier generation, as Christian names often run in families, and Tewkesbury is only about 6 miles from Barrow and the River Severn and the River Avon meet, the Severn flowing down from Wales and the Avon on its way from Stratford.
From the Forest of Dean website
Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730 - 1823
15 December 1768
Joseph GILES - Batchelor
occupation: Framework Knitter
residence: Tewkesbury
Sarah JONES - Spinster
residence: Tewkesbury
Marriage by Bonds
He signs
Witness 1: Thomas GILES a Framework Knitter of Tewkesbury
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The Licence gives more information
Joseph GILES is aged 24
Sarah JONES is 23
To Marry at Tewkesbury, sworn before H JONES
Thanks for that Capetown. That's encouraging to see that people with the surname Giles are living in that area, especially with the name Joseph and as you say it could well be ancestors or relations. It's something to look into.
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One thing I did look into was Joseph Giles' (Senior) death to get an idea of his age. I know he died before 1858 when he's listed as deceased on his son Joseph's marriage certificate. There's only two people called Joseph Giles in the civil register who died in Gloucestershire before 1858 - one an infant and another too young to be the father. So either the father died somewhere else or before 1837 when his son must have been a child or teenager. If it's the latter then his son would obviously not be living with his father in the 1841 or 1851 censuses which I can't locate him in.
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In '61 Joseph is in Blaenavon. Could this be him in 1856?
Welsh Newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3396764/3396766/3"joseph%20giles"
Bottom of column 1
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In '61 Joseph is in Blaenavon. Could this be him in 1856?
Welsh Newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3396764/3396766/3"joseph%20giles"
Bottom of column 1
Thanks hanes teulu. I have come across that before, it's something I couldn't rule in or out. He's living in Trevethin at the time which isn't too far away, so it could be, although the occupations don't match. I did consider whether criminality is the reason I couldn't find him in the 1841 or 1851 census.
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Monmouthshire Beacon
Saturday 12 July 1856
Gives Joseph Giles age* and occupation
* it is transcribed as aged 23 - but zooming in Joseph is aged 29 (c1827)
MONMOUTHSHIRE MIDSUMMER SESSIONS
Joseph GILES 29, miner, charged with assaulting W EVANS, at Newport.
Guilty
Fourteen days' hard labour at Usk.
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