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Title: John Sutton Moore
Post by: Shogmoor on Tuesday 04 April 23 09:16 BST (UK)
According to the 1851 census John Sutton Moore was a schoolmaster at Bacter County Gaol. Can someone tell me is this the main prison in Bierton road in Aylesbury. I am unable to find in with Google. I have tried to email the prison but with no reply. I would really like to find out what he actually did there. Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 04 April 23 09:45 BST (UK)
Looking at the image I read it as "Bucks County Gaol".


The county archives might be able to help: 

https://www.buckinghamshire.gov.uk/culture-and-tourism/archives/archives-landing-page/
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 04 April 23 17:03 BST (UK)
I agree with Nanny Jan, it is Schoolmaster to Bucks County Gaol

Have you seen mention of this letter which is held at Bucks Archives
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/27673aab-6e6a-42f2-8cd6-1f9e231ebb7e

also
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/faccd6bd-aca5-418f-85be-0f4644d5633f
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/18f8fc68-499d-4554-9327-42c762b495c9
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 05 April 23 03:50 BST (UK)
Of possible interest - a few newspaper reports which mention John Sutton MOORE:

Approval of his continuing employment as Prison Schoolmaster, salary of "£60, per annum, without rations"
Saturday,  July 3, 1847
Publication: Bucks Herald

Report on his suspension and dismissal from the job for being absent without leave (an extra day spent attending his daughter's wedding)
Saturday,  Apr. 10, 1852
Publication: Jackson's Oxford Journal

Inquest into his death aged 57 (assuming this is the same man) after being run over by a hansom cab
Sunday,  Oct. 21, 1866
Publication: Lloyd's Illustrated Newspaper

Happy to send you copies if you haven't seen them.
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 05 April 23 03:56 BST (UK)
An advertisement for his position may help to describe some of  what he did in the prison:

"The person selected must be a Married Man, a Member of the Established Church, and be able to teach Church Psalmody to the Prisoners ..."
Saturday,  Apr. 24, 1852
Publication: Jackson's Oxford Journal

(a similar advertisement was printed in 1853, but said a married man "preferred".
Saturday,  Mar. 26, 1853
Publication: Bucks Herald )

And a mention of the Prison Schoolmaster in this Open University course (which includes the Bucks County Prison ad.  :) )
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/mod/oucontent/view.php?id=106395&section=4

Also of possible interest:
"Throughout the history of incarceration, the prison schoolmaster has had a hard time. Established under Robert Peel’s Parliamentary Gaol Act of 1823, education came under direct control of the prison chaplain for nearly a century. Religion and morality were about the only subjects on the penal curriculum in Victorian England; it was not uncommon for inmates to have learned by heart the whole of the Old and New Testaments. "
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/educatingpeter
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: Shogmoor on Wednesday 05 April 23 11:23 BST (UK)
Hello, Thank you so much for all your kind help. Really appreciated. I will have to go to the archives and read the papers. John was my 3rd great grandfather. So happy now, thank you again.
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: Shogmoor on Thursday 06 April 23 08:32 BST (UK)
Maddy - yes it was him who died in 1866 in Kensington. You kindly said you could send a copy. how do I get it ?. How do I pay you for it ?.
So many thanks - Shogmoor
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: maddys52 on Saturday 08 April 23 02:08 BST (UK)
I'll send you a personal message with my email to send you a copy of the inquest report in the paper. Absolutely my pleasure - no need for payment!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: Shogmoor on Tuesday 11 April 23 07:44 BST (UK)
So kind of you. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: John Sutton Moore
Post by: mowing on Thursday 25 July 24 19:22 BST (UK)
John Sutton Moore was also a schoolmaster at The Brewers School in Plow Yard off Seething Lane near the Tower of London around 1830. His coat was stolen and the case heard at the Old Bailey 14th Jan 1830 (see The Proceedings of the Old Bailey website). His son John Henry was baptised at All Hallows-by-the Tower around this time too.
I have been trying to find out more about John Sutton's life and share this ancestor with shogmoor - 3X great-grandfather