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Hi. Can anyone please help? I'm looking at a family in Gorton, Manchester. Alfred Wright and Marion Brookson. Alfred born 1872 in Pendleton. Marion Guest Brookson born in 1877 in Farnworth, Manchester. Father: William Guest Brookson and mother Elvina. Marion was living with her aunt Ann Reynolds, widow, and Ann's family per the 1881 census. Alfred and Marion got married in 1900. Living with their two sons, Alfred Wright aged 12 and George William Wright aged 3 per the 1911 census. Alfred worked in the railways.
In the 1921 census, there's a 49 year old Alfred Wright living in Gorton but he was showing as divorced, having been married for 13 years. He was shown as having two dependent children aged 12 and 13 (the 13 year old could be George William but then who is the 12 year old?). This could tie in with the marriage dates above but I then saw an entry for Gorton cemetery, showing an Alfred and Marion Wright buried together. Presuming that this is the same couple, it would surprise me that divorced spouses would be buried together! So the Alfred Wright on the 1921 census that I'm researching might not be the same one.
Can anyone please help me find out more on the divorced 49 year old Alfred? I'm hitting a blank. Thanks.
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Are you sure you have the correct Alfred Wright?
If son Alfred was 12 in 1911 and they only married 1900 - did you check his birth
BROOKSON, ALFRED REYNOLDS -
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 52
showing an Alfred and Marion Wright buried together
What are their respective dates of death? If Marion is the 1935 death - where is she in 1921?
He was shown as having two dependent children aged 12 and 13 (the 13 year old could be George William but then who is the 12 year old?).
Any names shown for the children?
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I can see an Alfred and Marion Wright on 1921 census, with 2 sons Alfred (22) and George William (13).
Could this be your family?
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Did Marion die in 1935?
The probate calendar has this entry:
Wright Marion of 14 Brunswick Street, Gorton Manchester ( wife of Alfred Wright) died 25 June 1935 at the Royal Infirmary Manchester. Administration Manchester 28 August to the said Alfred Wright labourer.
I think it would be worth to note the address and compare with the censuses and who is living there in the 1939 register.
William
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14 Brunswick Street, Gorton matches the family I found on 1921 census.
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Thanks everyone! Going through in order.
Carolew: I have since found an Alfred, born on 7 Feb 1899, child of Marion Reynolds Brookson so out of marriage, baptised 23 Feb 1899 St Thomas Pendleton (am putting the details even though it's not my family in the end in case of use to others in the future)
Nannyjan: great, this confirms that Alfred & Marion were still together then. Brunswick Street, Gorton was the address on the 1911 census. Unfortunately this means I'm back to square one (or minus one!) with potentially "my" Alfred Wright.
Millmoor: thanks for the 1939 tip. I maybe should have mentioned, the "49 year old Alfred" was living at Cooper Street, Gorton. I had thought that after his divorce, he had just moved in Gorton. Maybe he wasn't even from the area in the end. So I need to find out where he was born, who his marriage was to and who the 12 and 13 year dependents were (there were no names on the 1921 census). Not much to go on..
Another avenue found on Lancashire opc Baptism: 25 Dec 1872 St Philip, Salford, Lancashire, England
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Unless I have misread your reply - you appear to be saying this is not your Alfred Wright?
If your Alfred married Marion Brookman then the one you found as divorced is the one who is not "your" Alfred but the one found by nanny jan is the one corresponding to the 1911 entry you quoted.
So what info do you have on your Alfred Wright?
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Hi carolew. Correct - I can bin the Brookson trail I started down.
So all I have on the Alfred Wright I'm looking into is he's aged 49 on the 1921 census, living Cooper Street, Gorton, divorced with 2 dependents aged 12 & 13. If only it weren't such a common name!
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I’m not sure I am following this properly but I don’t see an Alfred as you describe.
There is Alfred b 1872, Manchester with
Annie b 1876, Lancaster
Constance Milton b 1913, Lancaster.
Is that the family you mean?
There is a birth
Constance M Wright 1913, South Manchester with mmn Pearson.
** in which case, Lancaster might mean Lancashire
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the "49 year old Alfred" was living at Cooper Street, Gorton.
I need to find out where he was born, who his marriage was to and who the 12 and 13 year dependents were (there were no names on the 1921 census). Not much to go on..
Another avenue found on Lancashire opc Baptism: 25 Dec 1872 St Philip, Salford, Lancashire, England
What a confusing thread...
Can you tell us how you arrived at the "49 year old Alfred in 1921", what is the connection which led to him?
Where was he born according to the 1921 census?
Annie
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Birth registration of possible daughter
WRIGHT, CONSTANCE MILTON mmn PEARSON
GRO Reference: 1913 Sept Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 1446
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It looks as though he was not married to the lady who was 'boarding' there in 1921 but I suspect that it was their daughter also at the property
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Birth registration of possible daughter
WRIGHT, CONSTANCE MILTON mmn PEARSON
GRO Reference: 1913 Sept Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 1446
I also posted that one earlier, Rosie. I think celtickids was searching for Pearsons previously so I thought it might be relevant.
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Sorry I totally missed that birth registration you posted earlier
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In the 1921 census, there's a 49 year old Alfred Wright living in Gorton but he was showing as divorced, having been married for 13 years. He was shown as having two dependent children aged 12 and 13
Where do the years married and ages of children come from? Have you seen the image of the census or just a transcript?
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Looking at 1921 indexes, Alfred Wright of Cooper Street is indeed ‘divorced’.
However, he looks to be with Annie and Constance so not those two nameless 12 and 13 yr olds.
There is this entry in 1911 which, if not our couple, is most coincidental.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW16-D6R
Alfred, though, is not married at that time.
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In the 1921 census, there's a 49 year old Alfred Wright living in Gorton but he was showing as divorced, having been married for 13 years.
He was shown as having two dependent children aged 12 and 13
Do you know his occupation?
Does it give any details regarding his Divorce?
Did he have a middle name?
Probably not who you are looking for but there is this person named Alfred Wright
Reynolds's Newspaper 20 January 1907
Husband Third Petition
The third effort of Alfred Wright, commercial clerk of Hackney to secure a divorce from his wife proved successful on Tuesday to the extent of his been awarded a decree nisi.
He married his wife 1893, his suspicions were aroused in 1897, a detective was engaged, petition was filed in 1898. They reconciled until 1904 when husbands suspicions were once more aroused……. There is more
but he has a middle name on Divorce record
England & Wales, Civil Divorce Records, 1858-1918 on And*y
Husbands Petition 1898, 1905, 1906 Spouse Emmeline WRIGHT the marriage cert. can be viewed married 18 July 1893
Alfred Henry Wright age 23 occ Shippers Clerk, late of 39 Libra Park Stoke Newington but now residing 17 Cazenvoe Rd., Father Alfred retired farmer
Emmeline Cox age 22, 32 Forbore Road Stoke Newington Father Robert, Argri. Implement Maker
they have one child on 1901 census Piece 1636 Folio 105 Page number 15
Alfred H Wright 30 Ackworth, Yorkshire Clerk Ship(?er?)
Emmeline Wright 30 Thetford, Norfolk
Dorothy H Wright 3 Stoke Newington, London
Elsie Smith 14 Servant
Alfred Henry Wright Birth 18 May 1870
Father Alfred Wright Mother Mary Ann
Archive Location Wakefield
Parish or Chapel Pontefract
Residence 18 May 1870
Reel Number Ackworth, Castleford, Dewsbury, Pontefract (Quaker); WC40
There are 11 Divorce records Civil Divorce Records, 1858-1918 for persons named Alfred Wright
These are the ones with no middle name
Alfred Wright Husband's petition for divorce [HD] 1874 Spouse Sarah Ann Wright
Alfred Wright Husband's petition for divorce [HD] 1884 Spouse Sarah Wright
Alfred Wright Wife's petition 1900 Spouse Clara Elizabeth Wright
Alfred Wright Husband's petition for divorce [HD] 1914 Spouse Laura Wright
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Looking at 1921 indexes, Alfred Wright of Cooper Street is indeed ‘divorced’.
However, he looks to be with Annie and Constance so not those two nameless 12 and 13 yr olds.
I must be looking at a record for another divorced Alfred Wright age 49 in Cooper Street, but I cannot see he has a dependent 12 year old. The record I'm looking at has an interesting footnote written by Alfred.
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There is this entry in 1911 which, if not our couple, is most coincidental.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW16-D6R
Alfred, though, is not married at that time.
Apart from Alfred's marital status, everything else fits. Was there the option to write divorced in 1911?
Instructions say S, M or W. If he was not widowed or still married, writing single is his only option,
We know from 1921 census how many years he had been married, we know the number of children in total from that marriage, we know the age in 1921 of the youngest two who were still dependent (under 16). We think he might have been divorced by 1911, unless he and his wife were separated and he didn't want his landlady to know.
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And his birthplace in 1911 is given as Walsden, Lancs abt 20 miles from Manchester
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I can agree Lizzie but we can’t find ‘youngest two’ with that one - only Constance. :-\
Perhaps if they have no name, as stated, they don’t show up?
Did you declare children who were not present in the home in 1921?
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I can agree Lizzie but we can’t find ‘youngest two’ with that one - only Constance. :-\
Perhaps if they have no name, as stated, they don’t show up?
Did you declare children who were not present in the home in 1921?
All under 16's were recorded whether they were included on the schedule or not. Alfred has added a footnote to his schedule mentioning how many children he had in total.
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Ah thanks.
Do you have his occupation?
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There is this entry in 1911 which, if not our couple, is most coincidental.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW16-D6R
Alfred, though, is not married at that time.
No that this helps with Alfred
Do you think Annie Pearson might be the illeg. daughter of Martha who married Benjamin Pearson
Annie Garside
Baptism 24 Dec 1876 Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire
Mother Martha Garside
1881 census Piece: 3986 Folio: 36 Page Number: 14
Benjamin J. Pearson 31
Martha Pearson 26
Annie Pearson 5 Manchester
Marriage 28 Mar 1881 Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire
Martha Garside age 26 father Thomas
Spouse Benjamin Pearson
Annie Pearson is with the family in 1901 age 25 Manchester her occ gentleman’s hat trimmer but she’s not with them 1911
EDIT to add it looks as if Mary Alice PEARSON was Benjamin's sister
Mary Alice Pearson age 64 abode 54 Ostrich Lane Prestwich
Burial 17 Feb 1912 Cheetham, St Luke
Mary Alice Pearson, spinster probate 22 Feb 1912 to Benjamin Pearson engineer
Mary Alice Pearson Birth 23 Apr 1846
Baptism 31 Jul 1859 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father Benjamin Pearson, Mechanic Mother Mary abode Manchester
Also baptised on the same day
Benjamin born 11th July 1850
Thomas born 3rd July 1852
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Hi everyone. Thanks for all the responses. I'm kicking myself now for not having got a printout of the 1921 census info at the time - a history volunteer was helping me look at records (I don't even know which site. Beginner's mistake, I now know to note sources!) and I wrote info down. It was an image not a transcript. Yes, I got to "49 year Alfred" through looking for Pearson/Wright on the site. The two children, 12 and 13, were just crosses in a row of ages for dependent children. Constance was listed separately as 8 years old. I recall that it said "both parents still alive" somewhere on the form. I remember asking about this because it seemed obvious that Constance's parents, if they were indeed Alfred and Annie, were both still alive. The volunteer explained this was normal - the following from ukcensusonline confirms "For those under 15 the census recorded whether both parents were alive or if either or both parents had died."
Alfred was 49 and divorced. Didn't note occupation (kicking myself again!!). Annie was showing as Annie Wright, otherwise Pearson, single, boarder, 45 years old. I had noted her occupation which is "own account". I was doubting if this was the correct Wright/Pearson as Annie was single on the census. Maybe Constance was their daughter and they just weren't married? I did also wonder about adoption, especially as Annie would have been 37 at Constance's birth, but there again before the days of contraception... I have seen a potential birth certificate for Constance Milton. I say potential because I noted down 2 unusual aspects on it: the registration was July 1913 - ties in to September quarter GRO but birth was in April ie a late registration. Also the date on the bottom where the registrar signs off was 1927. Might be nothing but seemed strange.
In any case, I'm still interested in finding more on Alfred and Annie (and the two dependents).
LizzieL: may I ask what the interesting footnote is please?
Heywood: Are you able to put a pdf of the 1911 census extract please or a transcript? The link takes me to a homepage. Maybe a sign-up is required.
Thanks again everyone👍
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1921 census is only available on FindMyPast. You can register and get some information on a free search, but not detailed transcription or image without a subscription.
1911 census is available on Ancestry and FindMyPast, with transcriptions on Family Search. You would need to register with Family Search to see the transcript but that is free. To see images on either Ancestry or FindMyPast requires a subscription
If you are in the UK, many local libraries have subs to both sites.
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I have seen a potential birth certificate for Constance Milton. I say potential because I noted down 2 unusual aspects on it: the registration was July 1913 - ties in to September quarter GRO but birth was in April ie a late registration. Also the date on the bottom where the registrar signs off was 1927.
Was Alfred named as the father and if so, what was his occupation?
What was the context for this?
Do you have Constance in later years?
Which person is your interest?
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There is an entry in the Probate Calendar for a Constance Milton Butters who died 8 Feb 1983 ( an admin not a will) Her date of birth is given as 15 April 1913.
There is a marriage of Constance M Wright and David Butters in Ashton under Lyne in 1936 ( elsewhere he appears to be William David Butters). They can be located in the 1939 register.
William
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That’s great. Thank you William. :)
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Could Constance's middle name of Milton be a clue?
We know Pearson and Garside are on Annie's side of the family, so could Milton be connected to Alfred?
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From 1911 census Alfred Wright born c1872 Walsden Lancashire occ Accountants Clerk
From FreeBMD
Todmorden Yorkshire West Riding 1897 1974
Created 30.9.1897 from the parishes of Stansfield, Todmorden & Walsden, Langfield and Cornholme.
Todmorden & Walsden Lancashire 1837 1889 Transferred from Lancashire to Yorkshire West Riding in 1889. Abolished 30.9.1897 and added to the parish of Todmorden.
Yorkshire West Riding 1889 1897
I can't see any births registered for Alfred Wright in reg district of Todmorden :-\
He was living in Prestwich in 1911 - could he have married there?
CAVANAGH Alfred GRUNDY Annie 1894 Prestwich Registrar Attended
GRUNDY Annie CAVANAGH Alfred 1894 Prestwich Registrar Attended
GRUNDY Annie WRIGHT Alfred 1894 Prestwich Registrar Attended
WRIGHT Alfred GRUNDY Annie 1894 Prestwich Registrar Attended
CAVANAGH, FLORENCE MAY mmn GRUNDY
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 355
CAVANAGH, JOSEPH CUTHBERT mmn GRUNDY
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 355 (edit - died age 3 in 1899)
CAVANAGH, ALFRED CECIL mmn GRUNDY
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 48
CAVANAGH, ANNIE MILDRED mmn GRUNDY
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 406
CAVANAGH, ALICE HILDA mmn GRUNDY
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 765
1911 (married 17 years 5 children born 1 died)
Annie Cavanagh 38 married
Florance May Cavanagh 16
Alfred Cecil Cavanagh 7
Annie Mildred Cavanagh 5
Alice Hilda Cavanagh 2
Alice Grundy sister 46
No husband with her 1911 0r 1901
1901 Piece 3776 Folio 85 Page number 18
Annie Cavanagh 27 Wife Dressmaker own account
Florence M Cavanagh 6 Daughter
No wife with him in 1901
10, Amos Street, North Manchester, Prestwich, Lancashire
Allen Kitchen Head Married1854 Solicitor's clerk Manchester, Lancashire
Martha Kitchen Wife Married 1854 - Manchester, Lancashire
Alfred Cavanagh Nephew Married 1873 Commercial clerk (m/c w'house) Manchester, Lancashire
Albert Payne Nephew 1890 Manchester, Lancashire
1891 census
Ridgway Street, Manchester, Lancashire
Henry Cavanagh Head Married Male 71 1820 Provision dealer Manchester
Elizabeth Cavanagh Wife Married Female 70 1821 - Manchester
John Cavanagh Son Married Male 45 1846 Iron moulder Manchester
Alfred Cavanagh Grandson Single Male 20 1871 Clerk Manchester, Lancashire
Emma Cavanagh Granddaughter Single Female 33 1858 Dressmaker Manchester
There is this possible birth entry
CAVANAGH, ALFRED mmn KEELING
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 178
There is this death
Alfred Cavanagh Age: 63
Mar 1936 Registration District: South Manchester Volume: 8d Page: 229
and this obituary
Alfred Cavanagh Age 63
Death Place Cooper-Street, Gorton, Manchester
Obituary 20 Mar 1936 Hull, Humberside
Newspaper Title Daily Mail
20 March 1936 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, Yorkshire
Man With £1,600 Dies of Malnutrition Alfred Cavanagh, 63, who was found dead at his home in Cooper-street, Gorton, Manchester, neglected himself and his food, but brought home chicken bones for his dog. His death was stated at the inquest today due to heart failure and malnutrition and neglect and a verdict acccordingly recorded. A Doctor stated if he had taken his food properly he wouldn't have died. Threepence half penny was the only money found in the house, a bank book showed a credit of £600 and securities worth £1000 had been entrusted to a woman. He retired in December after 40 years with one firm. The Manager stated he looked under nourished in February but refused the firms help to get him into a home.
21 March 1936 - Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer
MANCHESTER MAN'S STRANGE HABITS
Ample Money but Starved Himself An Inquest was held Manchester yesterday on Alfred Cavanagh, who had lived a life of seclusion in his house in Cooper Street, Gorton. He had not been seen since the end February and the police had been informed by the Landlord.
Miss Annie Wright said she had known Cavanagh since 1909 she saw him a few days after he retired from business in December last. He called a few days later after going to enquire about a registered letter in Gorton Post Office but he had refused to pay 3d owed. In winter time he was always in bad health but would not go to the Doctor. He never had any proper food in the house and neglected himself.
Mr Neil said the firm had employed him for 40 years, the last 10 years his appearance had become slovenly and he got himself into dirty condition. His work was perfectly satisfactory, witness visited him on 21st February. He was so concerned about it he tried to persuade him for his company to send him to a home but he refused.
Is this the Alfred Wright living at the same address in 1921 census with Annie Wright (Pearson) & Constance Milton Wright?
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Wow, what a lot of work!
That looks like it's fitting very well.
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Wow, what a lot of work!
That looks like it's fitting very well.
And wow from me too!
As ever, Ladyhawk so much detail. Well done. :)
What a sad tale, though.
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Wow, what a lot of work!
That looks like it's fitting very well.
And wow from me too!
As ever, Ladyhawk so much detail. Well done. :)
What a sad tale, though.
Yes it is :(
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Brilliant sleuthing, Ladyhawk!
Is this him in the probate calendar?
Cavanagh Alfred or Milton Alfred Hardy of 63 Cooper Street Gorton died Manchester 17 March 1936 Administration 11 Feb 1937 York to Annie Cavanagh widow and Alfred Cecil Cavanagh rent collector. Effects £6814 11s 10d.
William
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Brilliant sleuthing, Ladyhawk!
Is this him in the probate calendar?
Cavanagh Alfred or Milton Alfred Hardy of 63 Cooper Street Gorton died Manchester Administration York to Annie Cavanagh widow and Alfred Cecil Cavanagh rent collector. Effects £6814 11s 10d.
William
Good find William :)
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Nottingham Evening Post 03 March 1937
Left £6,814 - Malnutrition Hastened Death
Mr Alfred Cavanagh, of Cooper Street, Gorton, Manchester, also know as Alfred Hardy Milton left £6,814. It was stated at the inquest that death was due to heart failure accelerated by malnutrition and neglect.
added also reported in Hull Daily Mail 03 March 1937
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Was just going to post the probate record because of the Milton reference, William. :)
A published tree shows his father as John Wright Cavanagh - baptised Manchester 1846 as John Wright Cavannah, parents Henry and Elizabeth.
So that is the Wright reference, presumably.
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Was just going to post the probate record because of the Milton reference, William. :)
A published tree shows his father as John Wright Cavanagh - baptised Manchester 1846 as John Wright Cavannah, parents Henry and Elizabeth.
So that is the Wright reference, presumably.
John married Hannah Keeling in 1867 his address 58 Ridgeway St., Oldham Road,
1891 census (posted) Alfred Cavanagh is at Ridgeway Street with his grandparents Henry & Elizabeth
brought forward his birth entry
CAVANAGH, ALFRED mmn KEELING
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 178
EDIT to add this looks like his baptism
Alfred Cavanagh
Father John, moulder Mother Hannah
Baptism 5 Jun 1870 Manchester, St Philip
England, Greater Manchester Baptisms 1571-1910
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Hi
You're all quicker than me (not logged on permanently) so apologies if response out of order as I draft offline.
Thanks everyone for your support first and foremost.
Constance was a relative of mine. I have so little info to go on because there are limited family stories and recollections. I know every family has their skeletons in the closet and family secrets but I understand there might have been a rift involved when she married (Protestant-Catholic). William's response concurs with my difficulties in corroborating info - her husband was William but no idea why the use of David or both names unless it was to stay incognito. Personally, I don't care if my family were Christian, atheists, members of Hare Krishna or if there's illegitimate kids all over the show 😉 but it's frustrating not knowing a bit more history. I'm more or less OK with Constance's lineage going forward. It's going backwards I'm interested in, namely her parents (presumably Alfred Wright and Annie Wright/Pearson) and grandparents (perhaps Milton somewhere given her second name?) and if there were other siblings or step-siblings. This probably sounds loopy but I sometimes wonder if I'm struggling with my search because the ancestors want the past kept there but I have this uncanny feeling that I have to pursue this!
Can I be sure of the Garside link do you think? Pearson seems to be heavily present in Yorkshire and I did wonder if there were perhaps ties there.
Wow! Amazing work and story, Ladyhawk, albeit sad. Accountant's clerk makes total sense as on Constance's 'potential' birth certificate it had Alfred Wright's profession as bookkeeper. It's the end of the week and my grey cells are tiring so I'll have to re-read and look into the Cavanagh bit. It seems he used both the surname Wright and Cavanagh then if I understand well. Funny, I mentioned I thought there might be a Yorkshire link but turns out it's probably from him.
You've certainly all given me some huge breakthroughs. So appreciated!! The newspaper articles definitely confirm the Alfred, Annie & Constance, Cooper St Gorton info. Now I can hopefully find some more on Milton, Garside, Cavanagh etc.
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I am so glad that it is your family. :)
I thought you might be after Annie as she was a Pearson and that, as she is a different line to your other Pearson posts, we would be going after the wrong Alfred. ;)
There are some great finds here for you to study and sift through.
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I am so glad that it is your family. :)
ditto :)
To finish off here's his burial
Alfred Cavanagh Age 63
Burial 24 Mar 1936 Manchester, Greater Manchester
Cemetery Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section Z
Grave Number 950
Occupation Salesman
England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016 - no image
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146790508/alfred-cavanagh
and for info.
From 1901 census Alfred Cavanagh’s Uncle and Aunt Allen & Martha Kitchen married 8 Jul 1876 at Manchester, St Philip
Martha Cavanagh age 23, address Ridgeway St., Father Henry, moulder
Allen Kitchen age 23, Lawyer Clerk Father William, spinner
one of the witness Emma Cavanagh
Edit to add
from Lancashire OPC
RC baptism of one child born to Alfred & Annie
19 Nov 1905 Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Blackley, Lancashire
Anna Mildred Cavanagh - filia Alfredi Cavanagh & Annae (formerly Grundy)
Born: 23 Sep 1905 Abode: 68 Brewery St.
Godparents: Alicia Grundy
added free index 1921 South Manchester, Lancashire
Annie Cavanagh 1872 Manchester
May Cavanagh 1894 Manchester
Cecil Cavanagh 1903 Manchester
Mildred Cavanagh 1905 Manchester
Hilda Cavanagh 1908 Manchester
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Hi. Lots of searching and more questions than responses since your last comments (thanks for those). To be honest, poor Alfred's circumstances have left me unsettled - there's something unusual about this whole story. I'd like to be able to read the full coroner's report but I gather these aren't publicly available. I'm throwing these ponderings down only in case anyone fancies giving their thoughts.
1) When looking again at the probate extract for Alfred Cavanagh/Alfred Hardy Milton, the entry just below ie the same year caught my eye.
John Wright Cavanagh. 45 Faulkner Street Manchester. Died 12 July 1918 at Prestwich Manchester. Administration York 8 April 1937 to Annie Cavanagh, widow and Alfred Cecil Cavanagh, rent collector. Effects £200.
This was seemingly Alfred Cavanagh's father, born and baptised in 1846 who died in Sep quarter 1918, aged 72. Probate 18 years after death, seems an unusually long time? Unless they had to do this to be able to process Alfred's.
2) Was surprised that Alfred (Wright), as a bookkeeper and having a reasonable estate and dependent children, was reported as being intestate. I would've thought he would be likely to have a will. And the credit and securities "entrusted to a woman". Annie Wright/Pearson?
3) The burial record, you mentioned occupation salesman. This ties in with commercial clerk from the census for Alfred Cavanagh but not for Alfred Wright, bookkeeper?
4) administration for both Cavanagh probate was in York whereas both deaths were in Manchester. One newspaper mentioned Annie Cavanagh being in Stockport. John Wright Cavanagh's marriage was in Manchester in 1867 per freebmd but there is also one in Huddersfield in 1884. A second marriage perhaps. Or, as I've come to realise, through reading other threads on here, practices such as wrong census info, false/falsified records, stolen documents, sharing documents etc. exist.
5) Finally, I'm striking a blank on the Hardy Milton element. There was a marriage in 1867 at St John, Manchester between Mary Milton and Thomas Hardy. Link, irrelevant or red herring?! I've still got a lot of work ahead 🕵️ Have a good long weekend!
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Hi
Back again on this! Is anyone able to help me with any details on the two names on the marriage entry please? (Wright/Cavanagh).Were they both on originally or was this a modification after? I still have some doubts whether I'm in the right direction.
Re the Hardy Milton link, I found an Alfred Hardy Milton Wright on Manchester rates books for 1921 and 1926 and an Alfred Harvey Milton Wright for 1931 and 1936. I can't view the images but at least I've found the name.
The other thing still puzzling me is the other dependent child. Alice Hilda Cavanagh would be 13 in 1921. Who could the 12 year old one be and where were they?!
I'm going down the Cavanagh road regardless and I found on mlfhs some of the baptism records.
Florentia M Kavanagh baptised in 1894 at Saint Mary's, Failsworth. Child of Annae Grundy and Alfredi Kavanagh
Josephus Cuthbertus Cavanagh baptised in 1896 at Saint Mary's, Failsworth. Mother: Annae Grundy.
Anna Mildred Cavanagh baptised in 1905 at Our Lady Mount Carmel, Blackley. Child of Anna Grundy and Alfredi Cavanagh. Godmother: Alicia Grundy.
I couldn't find the baptisms of Alfred Cecil from 1903 or Alice Hilda in 1908. Perhaps not transcribed yet.
Given that I'm searching forwards rather than backwards (hoping that a living relative can shed more light on the story in the newspaper), I've since found these possible leads.
1) Alfred Cecil Cavanagh married Beryl Winefred Davis in October 1946 at Saint Alphonsus, Old Trafford. I think it's him because there is a reference to Stockport (ties into Annie Cavanagh and Alice Grundy living there afterwards per 1939 register and probate/news article mentioned this too) but there's quite an age gap, he would have been 43 and his bride 24. Seems they had at least one child: Rita Mary Cavanagh, born SepQ 1947. She married James Albert Atkinson in SepQ 1971, Manchester Register Office. I can't find any children for them. Think she might have passed away in 2005 in Yorkshire
2) Alice Hilda Cavanagh married Joseph Ernest Smith in 1937? She passed away in 1984? probate mentioned Bramhall, Stockport. Potential children: Alan E Smith SepQ 1940; William Smith DecQ 1944; Kathleen Mary Smith JunQ1946; John Francis Smith SepQ 1947. Latter two births at Stockport.
3) Anna Mildred Cavanagh married John Howell in 1933 at Chorlton upon Medlock? Potential children: John Howell DecQ 1936; Peter Francis Howell JunQ 1940; David Edward Howell SepQ 1945. Latter two births at Stockport.
Perhaps all the family regrouped in Stockport during/after WW2.
I'm hoping that someone from the Cavanagh/Howell, Cavanagh/Smith or Cavanagh/Atkinson branches might read this and have the information about this story. As I said, I feel that there's some ancestral loose ends to be tied up...
Thanks everyone!
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Re the Hardy Milton link, I found an
Alfred Hardy Milton Wright on Manchester rates books for 1921 and 1926
and an
Alfred Harvey Milton Wright for 1931 and 1936.
I can't view the images but at least I've found the name.
Alfred Hardy Milton Wright
Role Occupier
Owner's first name(s) E A Hepworth
Address 63, Cooper Street (same address for Alfred Harvey Milton Wright)
Record set Greater Manchester Rate Books