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Title: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Dirtypaw on Tuesday 28 March 23 01:11 BST (UK)
Hi everyone
In my endeavours to find a link to my Irish COTTER ancestors i started to look for common names both first and second names. Finding more dead ends and unanswered questions. I particularly need confirming of birth death and marriage of Bridget PULLEN shown only in BDM VIC as mother of ELIZABETH AUGUSTA PATTERSON (lil) born 1863 YANKEE CREEK HUNTLY VIC

Thanks Craig   
 
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 28 March 23 01:29 BST (UK)
Elizabeth’s 1863 birth certificate records mother as Bridget Patterson formerly PULLEN age 29 from County Cork Ireland.

I suspect Elizabeth Augusta was the result of an extra-marital affair. It appears that Andrew Patterson was already / still married to Elizabeth Cotter.
The child seems to have been raised in the Patterson family.
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 28 March 23 02:02 BST (UK)
If you are trying to find COTTER links, surely it is Elizabeth Augusta COTTER that you need information on. ??

Elizabeth Augusta COTTER had a number of children with  Andrew William PATTERSON

Her death certificate,  Aug 1919 gives the following information:
Age 95. Born in Dublin, in Victoria for 62 years
Father Patrick Cotter school master; mother Fanny m.n. Power
Married to Andrew Patterson in Melbourne about 28 years.
Issue: Jane 67 yrs, William Thomas 54, David dead, Elizabeth Augusta 59, Henrietta Eleanor 54, Rebecca dead, Walter 42
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Dirtypaw on Tuesday 28 March 23 06:06 BST (UK)
NEALE1961 thanks for your reply .The association to COTTER may be that  Bridgets actual name was COTTER and arrived on the ELGIN 1849 to SA and got up to mischief with other irish orphans my ancestor is ELIZABETH ANN BLYTH COTTER WALSH/PUGH PATTERSON . Most of ELIZABETHS  history has been reported on bdm docs but accuracy is debatable
thanks Craig
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 28 March 23 07:30 BST (UK)
NEALE1961 thanks for your reply .The association to COTTER may be that  Bridgets actual name was COTTER and arrived on the ELGIN 1849 to SA and got up to mischief with other irish orphans my ancestor is ELIZABETH ANN BLYTH COTTER WALSH/PUGH PATTERSON . Most of ELIZABETHS  history has been reported on bdm docs but accuracy is debatable
thanks Craig

Please,
Which of those names was her birth surname?

What were the full names of the men named-
BLYTH
WALSH
COTTER
PUGH
PATTERSON

with whom your woman was associated?

Sue
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Dirtypaw on Tuesday 28 March 23 11:25 BST (UK)
Thanks Sparret for your inquiry some of this info is old ground redone from a different angle.
Reported birth name per death cert 1914 bdm vic ELIZABETH ANN BLYTH father ANDREW BLYTH civil engineer mother unknown. On her daughters AUGUSTA SUSANS WALSH birth cert 1853 fathers name CHARLES EDWARD PUGH/WALSH (walsh being acting name) on cert says her name formerly DINIGHAN. On her marriage cert 1883 she was named as WALSH her husband as WILLIAM STORIER PATTERSON her father as EDWARD BLYTH not ANDREW as previously reported and mother as MARGARET COTTER.
I could not find the cert for marriage to CHARLES EDWARD PUGH 1849 collingwood is stated on 1853 daughters birth cert

Thanks again Craig
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 28 March 23 11:52 BST (UK)


In your reply #5...it is difficult to make use of the information as you have presented.

"death cert 1914 bdm vic"

"birth cert 1853"

"On her marriage cert 1883"

For each of these records that you have can you please list all the inormation........everything please.

Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Dirtypaw on Tuesday 28 March 23 12:49 BST (UK)
Thanks wivenhoe

Death certificate for ELIZABETH ANN PATTERSON registered in St Arnaud in the state of Victoria Australia 26th Feb 1914 father Andrew Blyth civil engineer mother unknown informant son JOHN WILLIAM PATTERSON husband WILLIAM STORIER PATTERSON previous partner CHARLES WALSH

Birth certificate for daughter AUGUSTA SUSAN WALSH dated 23 July 1853 father CHARLES EDWARD PUGH age 30 states married 1849 Collingwood  mother ELIZA PUGH formerly DINIGHAN age 18.

Marriage certificate 1883 Ararat Victoria of WILLIAM PATTERSON  age 49 miner to ELIZABETH ANN WALSH age 47 domestic of St Arnaud  parent of groom JOHN PATTERSON flaxdresser and ISABELLA STORIER

Hope this helps thanks Craig
parents of bride EDWARD BLYTH engineer and MARGARET COTTER 
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: louisa b on Wednesday 29 March 23 01:37 BST (UK)
Obituary from the St Arnaud Mercury 28 Feb 1914
Elizabeth Ann PATTERSON, relict of the late William Storrier PATTERSON
..78 years…born in County Cork, Ireland, came out to Australia 69 years ago….lived 36 years in St Arnaud
The family are: Mrs.Nicholls, Maryborough; Mr E.P. Walsh, St Arnaud; Miss Isabel M. Patterson, St Arnaud; Mr John W. Patterson , St Arnaud

therefore born in Ireland approx 1836; emigrated age approx. 9 years in 1845 (perhaps to S.A. ??)
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 29 March 23 07:03 BST (UK)
I think Dirtypaw has been researching and working on this family connection for many years ;D

Here is a thread from 2017
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=753506.18

Sue
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Dirtypaw on Wednesday 29 March 23 09:00 BST (UK)
Sue is correct have been searching for parents or siblings of my ELIZABETH ANN PATTERSON for a while and hoped revisiting might set a new light on her .The indirect approach through BRIDGET PULLEN came about through association of COTTER and PATTERSON and persons family first name AUGUSTA .
I hope i can find a link by association but think the use of aliases or coincidence of same family names
may sink my plans. I would like to thank everyone for the input and tolerating my logic or lack thereof.
Thanks Craig ???
   
Title: Re: Bridget PULLEN birth of Elizabeth PATTERSON 1863
Post by: Dirtypaw on Wednesday 29 March 23 09:03 BST (UK)
Thanks louisa b for your reply its good to have things seen from others perspectives .
 Thanks Craig