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Hi,
Just wondering if anyone can find my ancestors in the 1861 census please as I'm struggling. This is the family in 1851
Name: John Armstrong
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration District: Kings Norton
Sub-registration District: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 122
Piece: 2050
Folio: 149
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Armstrong 53
Catherine Armstrong 45
William Armstrong 10
Mary Ann Armstrong 8
John Armstrong was born 1798 in Balla, Mayo. His daughter, my ancestor, Mary Ann married Henry Wright in Dec 1861
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What were all the details on the marriage certificate?
Witnesses.
Mary Ann’s residence.
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There is a burial in Birmingham in Feb 1859 for a John Armstrong of the correct approx age.
Daughter Mary Ann just MAY have been working as a servant, shown as just Mary, in Aston in 1861, but as mckha has said - her abode at the time of marriage may help.
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What were all the details on the marriage certificate?
Witnesses.
Mary Ann’s residence.
John's death certificate states that he was living at Court Carendon ? Street in the Ladywood District of Birmingham when he died in 1859
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John Armstrong was an army pensioner per the 1851 census; there are army records for a John Armstrong born circa 1798 in Ball, Mayo, in 51st Foot, discharged to pension in 1837.
Pension records show that he died on 17 February 1861.
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John's wife Catherine died in 1878 in the Aston Union Workhouse
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John Armstrong was an army pensioner per the 1851 census; there are army records for a John Armstrong born circa 1798 in Bale, Mayo, in 51st Foot, discharged to pension in 1837.
Pension records show that he died on 17 February 1861.
Yep that's him! I can't find the rest of the family in 1861...
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So is the 1859 death not him?
If not, where did he die?
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So is the 1859 death not him?
If not, where did he die?
Yes he died 17th Feb 1859 at 12 Court Carendon? Street in Ladywood so he wouldn't be on the census but his family should be and I can't find them
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My apologies! I misread the pension record. He died 17 February 1859, aged 61
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So from the title of the query - we all initially thought we were looking for John Armstrong in 1861.
Might the 'Mary' Armstrong, shown in 1861 as a servant in Aston be Mary Ann I wonder?
She's worth bearing in mind.
Her older brother would have been old enough to have left home also - hence they may not all be together.
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So from the title of the query - we all initially thought we were looking for John Armstrong in 1861.
Might the 'Mary' Armstrong, shown in 1861 as a servant in Aston be Mary Ann I wonder?
She's worth bearing in mind.
Her older brother would have been old enough to have left home also - hence they may not all be together.
Yes sorry about that, not sure how to modify the title...any reason why Catherine isn't showing up?
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Just for background....
Freereg
Warwickshire, Hampton in Arden
SS Mary and Bartholomew
14 February 1841
William ARMSTRONG (occupation: Railway Policeman)
Father: John
Mother : Catherine
Person abode : Hampton
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Checking on FreeBMD
ARMSTRONG William - District: Meriden (which covers Hampton)
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GRO INDEX
ARMSTRONG William - (no mother's maiden name given)
GRO INDEX 1841 M Quarter in THE MERIDEN UNION, Volume: 16 Page 419
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On the 1851 Census
Mary Ann ARMSTRONG is aged 8 (c1843) born Smethwick
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FreeBMD
Birth Sept Qtr 1843, District: Kings Norton (which includes Smethwick)
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GRO INDEX
ARMSTRONG, Mary - mother's maiden name : COSTELLER
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter 1843, Kings Norton - Volume 18 Page 401
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1841 Census
Hampton in Arden, Warwickshire, Hampton Village
John ARMSTRONG - aged 40 - occupation : P born Ireland
Catherine ARMSTRONG - aged 35 - born Ireland
William ARMSTRONG - 4 months - born in County
Charles ELLIOTT - aged 15, labourer - born in County