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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Morris2013 on Thursday 23 March 23 10:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Just wondering if someone with expert knowledge can tell from the uniforms in two photographs whether the uniforms are WW1 or WW2.
The soldier on his own is George. The soldier with his family Peter.
I hope I have posted correctly and the images are attached.
Thanks
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The woman’s clothing in the second photograph is typical of WW1 time.
Not exactly sure about the soldier on his own though.
Someone with more knowledge will help I am sure .Viktoria.
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Both WW1.
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I agree with Jim. The swagger stick gives them away, other rank soldiers in WW2 did not have them.
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I'm pretty sure that George's capbadge is the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders.
(https://www.treasurebunker.co.uk/Files/95878/Img/22/611x800.jpg)The tartan also matches
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0241/6899/products/JR001T_BLACK_WATCH_MODERN_Custom_2994f2a2-0029-4d37-8b09-ed90705e6914_800x.jpg?v=1636066389)
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Thank you all.
The problem with the solo photo was whether it was of the father in WW1 or his son in WW2. The name written on the back of the photo was the son. I think whoever wrote that must have made a mistake.
The problem with the other photo is that it is supposed to be of Peter with wife and child and the image looks like WW1 or just after. But his only daughter was not born till 1928. She looks 3 or 4 in the photo, and I doubt a man would dress in his WW1 uniform for a photo in 1932. Peter looks really very similar to his brother Tom who also married just after WW1 but he never had a daughter.
So, perhaps I need to search to see if Peter's wife already had a daughter when he married her. Although she was unmarried and not a widow at the time of marriage.
Thanks for your help
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This style of uniform was in use up to the mid 30's.
However as Viktoria pointed out the woman's dress
& hairstyle are typical WW1 era.
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Yes the family photo is early WW1 era or just before.
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Yes the family photo is early WW1 era or just before.
It certainly could be pre-war as her hairstyle was typical 1910-12.
Not seen much after that.
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The 2nd. man is wearing the standard Army tunic as apposed
to the 1st. man who is wearing the Scottish version.
These are the Scottish Regt's. that didn't wear the kilt (according to the internet):
Scots Guards
Royal Scots
Royal Scots Fusiliers
King’s Own Scottish Borderers
Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Highland Light Infantry
Make of it what you will.
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Jim1 and Morris2013,
As I mentioned above, I don't think there's much doubt about soldier one (George?) being in the A&SH. However I suspect the date of the photograph could be any time between 1912 and 1939. Battle dress wasn't introduced until around 1938-9.
Since that exact identity of both soldiers now seems to be in doubt, is there any reason to assume that the photos were during wartime?
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Thank you.
If the solo photo is WW1, then he would have been 34 at the start of the war, already married over 12 years and with 6 children by then. He was Scottish, but I can find no record of his WW1 service on Ancestry, possibly because he had such a common name', but have messaged someone on Ancestry to see if he knows any more. The only image I have seen of him is as a much older man, and this photo could be him aged 34.
The 'family photo' is supposed to be Peter, wife, and child.
Peter served 1914 - 1920, a Private in the 2nd Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Married 1916, but first child not until 1924. Unless there was an earlier daughter we do not know about
Peter's brother Thomas looked so much like him they could have been twins.
Thomas served 1915 - 1919 Lance Corporal Seaforth Highlanders, and finally Acting Sergeant RAMC
Married 1917 and first child a son 1921
Again I think the photo is mislabelled and the mystery is who is the little girl?
Thanks again for your comments
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George is not in the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, they have red and white dicing on their glengarry.
The Cameron Highlanders is more likely:
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/community/6572
Tony