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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: ijl on Tuesday 21 March 23 11:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi there
Can anyone help with finding a marriage please. I'm looking
for a Elizabeth Lloyd marrying John Massie/Massey in the Much
Wenlock area about 1871/1873. She is a Lloyd on the 1871 census
and a Massie on the 1881 census, with a son Moses, who is 9yrs.
regards Ian
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Under which surname does Moses' birth appear to be registered?
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The only Moses registered at that time has the Mother’s maiden name of DAVIES.
Correction, now found registration with mmn LLOYD
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Hi both
Moses is down as a Massie and all later children are Massie too.
On the 1881 census Elizabeth is a Massie living with John.
Ian
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No luck in locating a marriage. Could John and Elizabeth be simply cohabiting? I see John is twenty years older than Elizabeth, so there is the possibility he was previously married and had a wife still alive.
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Hi
I think that must be the case, especially with the age difference.
Elizabeth does use the Massie name on the later censuses though.
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With the children all registered as Massie, you would expect Elizabeth to continue using the name.
I have tried to find John on an earlier census but no one appears with the occupation if butcher.
Perhaps someone else will have more luck with them, I must leave it for now.
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Hi again
Thanks for your time.
regards Ian
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AS for the occupation "Butcher", have you checked FindMyPast baptisms?
Moses' baptism 28 Sep 1873 at Alderton has John's occpn. as "Farmer". This is his occp. on Eburt's and Vincent Edgar's baptisms.
His occupation on the other six (Jacob, Ralph, Reho, Charles, Henry Oscar and Sam Austin) is "Labourer". On the 1991 Census it's "Farm Labourer"?
1871 Census - have you managed to eliminate John Masey, age 39 occpn Bailiff, born Shipton from your search.
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A bit late to this but I found this worth following up
There is a Sarah Massie, daughter, aged 19, b Much Wenlock on the 1891 with them
The nearest that I can see on GRO is
LLOYD, SARAH MMN -
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in MADELEY Volume 06A Page 693
I assume that MMN is Lloyd.
Gadget
Add - Wenlock was in the Madeley RD.
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if it helps - a tree
Moses Massie
Born in December 1873 - Middle, Shropshire, England
Deceased in June 1881 - Shropshire County, England, aged 7 years old
Parents
John (Dna) Massey ca 1832-1914
Elizabeth Lloyd 1853-1937
Siblings
F Sarah (Dna) Gladys Mildred Massie 1872-1944
M Moses Massie 1873-1881
M Jacob Massie 1876-1933
M Ralph Massie 1878-1946
M Rion Massie ca 1880-1951
M Ebert Massie 1881-1964
M Francis Fred Massie ca 1883-1907
M Oscar Harry Massie ca 1885-1936
M Charlie Massie 1886-1943
M Samuel Austin Massie ca 1888-1964
M Vincent Edgar Massie 1889-1936
F Olive Ellinor Massie 1892-1893
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Samuel (Dna) Massey 1799-1885 Anne Downes ca 1808-1883
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John (Dna) Massey ca 1832-1914 Elizabeth Lloyd 1853-1937
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Moses Massie 1873-1881
tree says John Massey married Elizabeth Lloyd 1871
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I'm always suspicious of 'Married yyyy' on trees, with no other supporting evidence. If they married in 1871, how come Sarah was registered as Lloyd?!?
Gadget
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Hi all
Thanks for your efforts. I too have seen the mentioned tree, and you would think they married
in 1871ish, but as Gadget says, there is no supporting evidence to a marriage.
Ian