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The family of Francis Albert von Dittmer has origins in GERMANY.
Would anyone know where please?
Francis von Dittmer was born 19th June 1887 in Adelaide South Australia.
His father was Francis Christopher von Dittmer 1864-1920.
The next generation was Herman R.J. von Dittmer 1832-1897.
also does the small word "von " mean anything?
Many thanks,
Turramurra.
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“von” in German means “from”, or “of”. So the family originally came “from Dittmer”.
Naturalisation papers for Hermann born 1832 give his native place as Prussia, Germany.
He arrived in 1857 on the ship “Peter Godeffroy”. Passenger list gives his residence as Uekermunde Prussia.
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Thank you for the information,
Turramurra
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The image of Herman Rudolph Johann DITTMER's baptism is on Ancestry. I can't read it to verify the transcription, but it appears:
bap 8 May 1832 at Pommern, Szczecin, Germany, Father - Johann David DITTMER, mother - Beate Friederike DITTMER.
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Actually ignore the above - there is a burial with the same details for 12 May 1832 (died 10 May 1832): Herman Rudolph Johann DITTMER, son of Johann DAVID DITTMER at Szczecin.
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Did Herman von DITTMER marry Alice MANNIX in Mount Barker, SA on 6 Aug 1860? His father is named Ferdinand David von DITTMER (her's William MANNIX).
Nice obituary, though short on family detail
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/54472267
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/209083317
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The obituary was delightful
Thank you for this
Turramurra
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From Biographical Index of South Australians
von Dittmer. David Wm parents Herman and Alice nee Mannix b. 11/3/1861 at Woodside Sth Aust. Occ Labourer. Policeman. Rel. RC
von Dittmer. Hermann. d. 3/2/1897 West Terrace Cem. Residence Woodside Adelaide . Rel RC m. 8/8/1860 Mt Barker SA to Alice nee Mannix who died 16/8/1896.
Chn. David William c.1861-. Hermann 1862-. Frances 1863-. John Leoplold c.1867- 1955. Albert 1870-. Mary c.1873 -1941. Oswald 1877-.
Sue
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Alice's death notice says 10 children ;D
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/34556054
Sue
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Other children mentioned in Herman's funeral description are Frank (presumably Francis), Richard and Oscar and two daughters.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/34572904
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Frank was born Leopold Francis and he married Isabel Brown in 1914
Marriages (Australia)
Year : 1914
Registration number : 08634
Surname : von DITTMER
First names : Leopold Francis
Spouse surname : BROWN
Spouse first names : Isabel
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Hi
am i getting this right?
Herman R.J. von Dittmer 1832-1897 emmigrated to Australia in 1857. (did he marry in Australia)?
He had a son, Francis Christopher von Dittmer, born in Australia 1864
He also had a son, Francis von Dittmer was born 19th June 1887 in Australia
so you are looking for birth and the ancestors of Hermann, right?
Dave
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According to Genealogy SA, there are these births to a father Herman(n) (von) DITTMER.
1861 David William (Van DITMER) Nairne 22/633
1862 Hermann Nairne 24/236
1863 August Nairne 29/585
1865 Gustav Nairne 36/185
1870 Henry Julius DETTMER (father Hermann Heinrich DETTMER - Adelaide 84/199) - :-\
(death for an Albert DITTMER 1871 - Adelaide 40/427)
1872 Mary Josephine Adelaide 109/207
1874 Theodor Joseph Adelaide 135/157
1876 Arnold Adelaide 163/485
1877 Oswald (von DITTMAR) Adelaide 188/204
1881 Catherine Wilhelmine Adelaide 257/125
1885 Eva May Morphett Vale 350/335
1890 Mary Alice Evelyn Encounter Bay 467/243
1892 Herbert John Strathalbyn 512/214
1895 Florence Elizabeth Encounter Bay 561/154
Obviously some of these later children are probably grandchildren of Hermann and Alice (nee MANNIX). Son Hermann married in 1884, so I suspect the later 4 children are his.
There must also be some other births not found - as Sue says, Alice's obit mentions 10 children. John Leopold von DITTMER is described as the "5th son" in his marriage notices eg
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48539110
He had a son, Francis Christopher von Dittmer, born in Australia 1864
He also had a son, Francis von Dittmer was born 19th June 1887 in Australia
Francis Albert von DITTMER born 1887 has father Francis von DITTMER (Adelaide 398/129)
Herman R.J. von Dittmer 1832-1897 emmigrated to Australia in 1857. (did he marry in Australia)?
As reply #5 - "Did Herman von DITTMER marry Alice MANNIX in Mount Barker, SA on 6 Aug 1860? His father is named Ferdinand David von DITTMER (her's William MANNIX)."
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I'm not sure where the middle names "R J" (Rudolph Johann?) come from. All the Australian records I have seen are simply Hermann von DITTMER (and variations). I suspect some people researching this family have spotted the 1831 baptism mentioned in reply #3 and have assumed this is same person, without seeing the burial for that infant in 1831.
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I'm not sure where the middle names "R J" (Rudolph Johann?) come from. All the Australian records I have seen are simply Hermann von DITTMER (and variations). I suspect some people researching this family have spotted the 1831 baptism mentioned in reply #3 and have assumed this is same person, without seeing the burial for that infant in 1831.
Yes I agree with your observations Maddy. Lots of copying of incorrect information on the Ancestry trees.
You would think the place to give his full name would be his naturalisation papers - he gives only Hermann.
He was obviously a well-educated man. A Lieutenant in the army in Germany before he left, (was he running away from something?), and a lawyers clerk in Australia.
His marriage was in the Roman Catholic church (I think) - his wife may have been RC, but perhaps we was too.
Interesting item here - where he presents his views on various matters.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26748474?searchTerm=vonDittmer