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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Census Lookup and Resource Requests => Topic started by: ezyryder on Thursday 16 March 23 12:18 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace the spouse of Cissy Lucy Tully, I have hit the proverbial "Brick Wall" with this one. This is the information I have:
Cissy Lucy Tully b.2 June 1907 Kensington London d. 1985 Ashford Kent. I cant find a marriage record for her.
Mother Florence Louisa Ashlin b.1886. d.1963
Father William Edward Tully. b. 1877. d.1942
Cissy had a daughter Pearl and I recall as a child late 1950s early 1960s while visiting her in Margate that there was someone who I assumed was her spouse called "Vic" I seem to have the idea that the married surname was Betteridge.
Cissy also has sisters Florence b1906 d1991 Winifred b1909. Ethel b1914 d2005 and a brother Ernest b1913 d2000
I would appreciate it if someone could do some lookups for me as I have limited resources.
Thank You
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She died as Cissy Lucy Gardner 1985, Ashford, Kent
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If you use Free BMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
You can search for a child of that name - just first name with a mother’s name Tully.
I did it using the years 1930 - 1940.
Then, I looked that person and a marriage.
I can’t see a death for the married woman so we cannot post details as she may still be alive.
It all seems to fit though for the child.
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Thank you Hayward for your reply, that give me another avenue to explore.
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Just see how you go on - luckily the name combination is rare.
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There are several ancestry trees which have Cissy Lucy Tully as the daughter of William Edward Tully and Florence Louisa Ashlin , however the birth record in Kensington in 1907 doesn't match.
Cissy TULLY 2Q 1907 Kensington 1A 132 mmn AYLOTT . Robert TULLY married Emily AYLOTT 4Q 1889 Kensington 1A 193.
Cissy can be found in 1911 and 1921 with Robert and Emily. There is no Cissy with William and Florence.
The death record for Cissy Lucy GARDNER in 1985 appears to point to the marriage of Cissy ( or Celia ) Lucy ILES to John Alfred GARDNER 13 Feb 1932 Wandsworth.
I am confused ???
Edit - Are we actually looking for Winifred A TULLY ?
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Thanks,Christine! I was getting muddled myself (not hard to do).
Maureen
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Is this the right couple :
Winifred A BEDFORD and Clarence V BETTERIDGE Jan 1947 Thanet 5b 1421
( Prior marriage Winifred A TULLEY and Edward C BEDFORD 1933 Croydon )
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Clarence Victor BETTERIDGE b 26 Jan 1915 died Jan 1998 Thanet B24D 47
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That looks better :)
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Winifred Amelia Betteridge of 6 Buckingham Road Margate died 20 Aug 1986 , probate with admin
Brighton 20 Feb.
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I think the daughter of the first marriage is almost certainly still alive . I found her marriage and an entry on the 2022 electoral roll for her in Margate.
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Thanks Christine,
I didn’t see her that late but as I wrote, I couldn’t see a death. Explained. :)
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That looks perfect.
Just an aside-William and Florence only list 4 children on William's WW1 pension record-Florence Augusta,Winifred Amelia,Ernest William and Ethel Lilian.
Maureen
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I am now very confused, Cissy was my 1st cousin 1x removed. It’s strange that I had a vague recollection of the name Betteridge its also the name Vic. Now someone has mentioned Buckingham Road I can now remember that was her address. As a long shot could Cissy Lucy be in fact one of the other daughters using a different name??
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As a long shot could Cissy Lucy be in fact one of the other daughters using a different name??
Clarence Victor Betteridge was living at 6 Buckingham Road as early as 1948.
I'm not sure what "one of the other daughters" means...?
Maureen
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I am now very confused, Cissy was my 1st cousin 1x removed. It’s strange that I had a vague recollection of the name Betteridge its also the name Vic. Now someone has mentioned Buckingham Road I can now remember that was her address. As a long shot could Cissy Lucy be in fact one of the other daughters using a different name??
Winifred Amelia Tully is on the 1911 census here : https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8G-BRK
with her parents William Edward and Florence Louisa Tully . Note that there is no one in the household called Cissy Lucy nor is there a birth registration in that name. Winifred married 1. Edward C BEDFORD and 2. Clarence Victor BETTERIDGE. Cissy is quite often used as an alternative name and I would imagine that was what Winifred was called in the family.
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Hi Maureen
That was badly worded, sorry for confusion. I meant to say could Cissy Lucy be in fact Winnifred or Florence.
Hi Christine
I think you are probably on the right track as I did remember the nam Betteridge and you have an address I do remember Buckingham Road. I only remember my parents call her Cissy. I am now wondering about the death that Haywood found in the name of Vic Gardner does that tie up or not related.
Thanking all of you who have helped out on this topic, any Luther information will be welcome.
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The death heywood quoted was for Cissy Lucy GARDNER 1985 Ashford. I think we have already established that she was Cissy Lucy ILES who married a John Alfred GARDNER, so nothing to do with your family.
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Ok thank you, should have spotted that.
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Does spelling count? It could be that your parents called her "(C)Sissy" short for sister??
Maureen
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Cissy was my Grandmothers sisters daughter ( Grandmothers niece ) so I think my parents just followed on from what everyone called her.