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Enter a wrong forename for a grooms or brides father on a marriage certificate??
Or has anyone ever heard of "John" being a shortened name/nickname for "Joseph"??
I would appreciate any advice/pointers
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My husband's grandmother's certificate has the wrong forename for the groom's father. She always claimed that the vicar marrying them was tipsy !
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I have a certificate with the wrong name for the groom.
rayard.
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Forenames are often wrong. Maybe because the bride or groom does not know or they are trying to cover up something. Also dependant on accents and what the clergy hears,
Illegitimate children sometimes invent fathers names or use the name of a stepfather or grandfather.
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My parents Ronald & Joyce were married in a Church immediately following the marriage of another couple also Ronald & Joyce.
When they received their certificates the wrong Ronald was married to the wrong Joyce!
Pheno
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I have a birth cert. where the name of the father was removed 16 years later.
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Enter a wrong forename for a grooms or brides father on a marriage certificate??
Or has anyone ever heard of "John" being a shortened name/nickname for "Joseph"??
I would appreciate any advice/pointers
First thing is to establish where the information is from....
The register entry, a certificate, or a transcript?
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I have one where the father of the bride was entered as Thomas rather than Matthew - the groom was Thomas so the vicar probably got confused.
Also a Naomi entered as Amy - a hard of hearing vicar?
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My parents Ronald & Joyce were married in a Church immediately following the marriage of another couple also Ronald & Joyce.
When they received their certificates the wrong Ronald was married to the wrong Joyce!
Pheno
Popular names at the time! My mother was a Joyce and her cousin, who she lived with, married a Ronald.
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Thanks Antony its on the certificate.
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I must say I'm not as perplexed as I was, now that I've read a few of the above comments!
Thanks everyone :)
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A certificate is copied information.... needs to be checked on the register entry.
Even then if it was a church marriage, there would be two registers completed so there is always room for errors to creep in.
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Antony I have a copy of the transcript which is on the Online Lancashire Parish Church Project and the grooms fathers name is John also. The source of the information is said to be the register: marriages 1896-1906 Page 63 Entry 126, on microfilm at Manchester Central Library. Do you think that an error could have been made when transferring information to microfilm from a written church register? I'm sorry if I sound green, but I really am not used to this depth of delving!
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So not a certificate then !
But you are working from a transcript.
The microfilm will have an image of the church register, but then someone ( a volunteer working on the excellent LancsOPC project) has looked at it and decided it says John.....it may well do, but transcribers do make mistakes (I know I have) so you need to see the register entry.
Good news is that if it is a Manchester marriage I would expect an image of the register to be available on Ancestry.
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I have a marriage record where the fathers' names have been switched. Father of the groom and his occupation has been given to the bride in error, and father of the bride is given to the groom.
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I have a marriage certificate where it appears as though the bride and groom's places of residence have been switched.
I mean ... it's POSSIBLE that someone who grew up in Newmarket moved to Trumpington and married there, whilst her husband who grew up in Trumpington moved to Newmarket, only to marry a bride from Newmoarket who had moved to Trumpington (they have to have had an opportunity to meet and get to know one another, after all) but I think this scenario is a little unlikely.
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An ancestor of mine (and his father) appear on GRO marriage certificate (1841 transcription) as ELDRED rather than ELDING.
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I know of a marriage that took place in the local registrar's office.
The happy couple didn't actually look at their certificate until much much later, when they discovered that when the Registrar had asked "What's your name?",, the groom's father had given his own name ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My parents had to go and see the Dean of Chichester after their wedding to get an error corrected . . . can't now remember what they said it was.
Drosybont
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My ancestor William Coombs father George Coombs, coachman, died in 1831 when William was 3. William had an older brother 16 years his senior called Matthew George Coombs born 1812. When William married in 1856 he said his dad was Matthew George Coombs, coachman. Yet from the records on George I have, including his 1790 Dorset baptism, he was always just George Coombs. George's dad before him was Matthew Coombs who wed George's mother Margaret Munday in 1775 in West Compton Abbas, Dorset.
William's brother Matthew G Coombs was never a coachman, always a litho/music printer.
William must have assumed his dad George had the exact same name as his older brother. Matthew George. As George's dad was also called Matthew, maybe that also confused William for some reason, especially as George died when William was 3.