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Hello lovely people !
I am stuck on finding the pre marriage life of my ancestor James Morris born abt 1848 - Manchester, Lancashire.
He worked as an iron turner, engine maker, engine fitter, mechanic in wire works, fitter turner - in that order on the census data I have.
He married Harriet Green (b 1851) on the 4 July 1868 in Manchester. I have all of the details of his life from his marriage onwards. But nothing pre-marriage.
On the marriage certificate it says his father was John Morris, a warehouseman.
James year of birth on the marriage certificate is 1848.
His death registration year of birth is also 1848.
Census data from 1871 to 1911 have his year of birth as - 1849, 1851, 1848, 1850, 1848.
So it looks like it's most likely 1848.
Please can anyone help me ? Thank you !
PS: I have his profile at ancestry:
https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/161900165/person/292167925646/facts
(you may need to change the ".com.au" to your region such as ".co.uk" for England or ".com" for the USA )
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Possible birth of James and a sibling who appear on 1851 census
MORRIS, JAMES mother's maiden name JONES
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 528
MORRIS, JOHN OWEN JONES
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 718
Piece: 2227
Folio: 808
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Morris 45
Margaret Morris 41
John O Morris 8
Sarah Morris 6
William Morris 4
James Morris 2
Henry Evans 28
John
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Name: James Morris
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1848
Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1848
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Morris
Mother's Name: Margaret Morris
Archive Roll: 767
Image of baptism on Ancestry.
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Possible birth of James and a sibling who appear on 1851 census
MORRIS, JAMES mother's maiden name JONES
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 528
MORRIS, JOHN OWEN JONES
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 718
Piece: 2227
Folio: 808
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Morris 45
Margaret Morris 41
John O Morris 8
Sarah Morris 6
William Morris 4
James Morris 2
Henry Evans 28
John
added
Name: James Morris
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1848
Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1848
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Morris
Mother's Name: Margaret Morris
Archive Roll: 767
Image of baptism on Ancestry.
I was looking at this family as well but that James is still at home with his parents in 1871
RG10/3998
Folio 18
Page 29
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Yes, just realised that.
John
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At least it is one to cross off the list John. Back to the search
Rosie :)
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Not what you asked for. I noticed from your tree you did not have wife Harriet's death. She appears with daughter Annie(1882) on the 1939 war register and her death is probably as below aged 96 (1850)
Deaths Mar 1946
Morris Harriet 96 Manchester 8d 447
John
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Again only a possible.
MORRIS, JAMES FAWCETT
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 635
MORRIS, JOSEPH FAWCETT
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 543
1851 census
Piece: 2225
Folio: 522
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John Morris 26
Mary Morris 30 silk winder
James Morris 2
Joseph Morris 2/12
Probable parents Marriage Mar 1847 Image on Anc*
Fawcitt Mary Ann Manchester 20 436
MORRIS John Manchester 20 436
John's occupation on marriage cert is "Spinner" but by 1851 he's a Street Sweeper", I accept that when James married in 1868 his fathers occupation was a warehouseman but may have changed jobs in between.
Believe John Senior may have died in 1851
MORRIS, JOHN aged 26
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 577
1871 census
Piece: 4031
Folio: 2
Page number: 3
Household Members (Name)
Mary Ann Morris 46 Head cotton winder
Joseph Morris 20 Son
John
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There's a marriage of a Joseph Morris of the right age,1st June 1871 who is a warehouseman with a father John occ Spinner.
John
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Not what you asked for. I noticed from your tree you did not have wife Harriet's death. She appears with daughter Annie(1882) on the 1939 war register and her death is probably as below aged 96 (1850)
Deaths Mar 1946
Morris Harriet 96 Manchester 8d 447
John
thank you :)