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Title: James Morris
Post by: Jane Sharp on Tuesday 07 March 23 14:21 GMT (UK)
Hello lovely people !

I am stuck on finding the pre marriage life of my ancestor James Morris born abt 1848 - Manchester, Lancashire.

He worked as an iron turner, engine maker, engine fitter, mechanic in wire works, fitter turner - in that order on the census data I have.

He married Harriet Green (b 1851) on the 4 July 1868 in Manchester. I have all of the details of his life from his marriage onwards. But nothing pre-marriage.

On the marriage certificate it says his father was John Morris, a warehouseman.

James year of birth on the marriage certificate is 1848.

His death registration year of birth is also 1848.

Census data from 1871 to 1911 have his year of birth as - 1849, 1851, 1848, 1850, 1848.

So it looks like it's most likely 1848.

Please can anyone help me ? Thank you !

PS: I have his profile at ancestry:

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/161900165/person/292167925646/facts

(you may need to change the ".com.au" to your region such as ".co.uk" for England or ".com" for the USA )

Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 07 March 23 14:32 GMT (UK)
Possible birth of James and a sibling who appear on 1851 census

MORRIS, JAMES       mother's maiden name JONES 
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 528


MORRIS, JOHN  OWEN     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1842  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 718


Piece:   2227
Folio:   808
Page Number:   25
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Morris   45
Margaret Morris   41
John O Morris   8
Sarah Morris   6
William Morris   4
James Morris   2
Henry Evans   28

John

added

Name:   James Morris
Birth Date:   30 Oct 1848
Baptism Date:   29 Nov 1848
Parish:   Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name:   John Morris
Mother's Name:   Margaret Morris
Archive Roll:   767

Image of baptism on Ancestry.
Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 March 23 14:44 GMT (UK)
Possible birth of James and a sibling who appear on 1851 census

MORRIS, JAMES       mother's maiden name JONES 
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 528


MORRIS, JOHN  OWEN     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1842  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 718


Piece:   2227
Folio:   808
Page Number:   25
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Morris   45
Margaret Morris   41
John O Morris   8
Sarah Morris   6
William Morris   4
James Morris   2
Henry Evans   28

John

added

Name:   James Morris
Birth Date:   30 Oct 1848
Baptism Date:   29 Nov 1848
Parish:   Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name:   John Morris
Mother's Name:   Margaret Morris
Archive Roll:   767

Image of baptism on Ancestry.

I was looking at this family as well but that James is still at home with his parents in 1871
RG10/3998
Folio 18
Page 29
Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 07 March 23 14:50 GMT (UK)
Yes, just realised that.

John
Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 March 23 15:38 GMT (UK)
At least it is one to cross off the list John.  Back to the search

Rosie  :)
Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 07 March 23 16:00 GMT (UK)
Not what you asked for. I noticed from your tree you did not have wife Harriet's death. She appears with daughter Annie(1882) on the 1939 war register and her death is probably as below aged 96 (1850)

Deaths Mar 1946   
Morris    Harriet    96    Manchester    8d   447

John
Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 07 March 23 17:37 GMT (UK)
Again only a possible.

MORRIS, JAMES       FAWCETT 
GRO Reference: 1848  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 635

MORRIS, JOSEPH       FAWCETT 
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 543

1851 census
Piece:   2225
Folio:   522
Page Number:   37
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Morris   26
Mary Morris   30        silk winder
James Morris   2
Joseph Morris   2/12

Probable parents Marriage Mar 1847   Image on Anc*

Fawcitt    Mary Ann        Manchester    20   436    
MORRIS    John        Manchester    20   436   

John's occupation on marriage cert is "Spinner" but by 1851 he's a Street Sweeper", I accept that when James married in 1868 his fathers occupation was a warehouseman but may have changed jobs in between.

Believe John Senior may have died in 1851

MORRIS, JOHN       aged 26
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 577

1871 census   
Piece:   4031
Folio:   2
Page number:   3

Household Members (Name)   
Mary Ann Morris 46   Head   cotton winder
Joseph Morris   20   Son



John

Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: softly softly on Tuesday 07 March 23 17:52 GMT (UK)
There's a marriage of a Joseph Morris of the right age,1st June 1871 who is a warehouseman with a father John occ Spinner.

John
Title: Re: James Morris
Post by: Jane Sharp on Tuesday 07 March 23 23:09 GMT (UK)
Not what you asked for. I noticed from your tree you did not have wife Harriet's death. She appears with daughter Annie(1882) on the 1939 war register and her death is probably as below aged 96 (1850)

Deaths Mar 1946   
Morris    Harriet    96    Manchester    8d   447

John
thank you  :)