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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Alittle on Thursday 02 March 23 14:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I have traced my family back to William Littlejohns 1836-1878 born about 1836 in Bridestowe parish. Would it be possible to locate a Baptism or Christening record for him?
I believe his farther was John Littlejohns and mother was Jane Edd(s).
I also believe he had many siblings:
Mary 1827
John 1829
Samuel 1832
Thomas 1834
William 1836
Elizabeth 1839
James 1841
Any information would be very much appreciated.
regards
Andy
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Do you have a copy of his 1861 marriage cert to Johanna Veale confirming his fathers name?
I believe his farther was John Littlejohns and mother was Jane Edd(s).
That baptism was not in Bridestowe
William Littlejohns Birth Date: 6 Mar 1835
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1835
Baptism Place: Methodist,Holsworthy,Devon,England
Father John Littlejohns
Mother Ann
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1841 for Bridestowe indexed as Littleghons - all born in county
John 35 miner
Jane 35
Mary 15
Samuel 9
Thomas 7
William 5
James 1mth
Piece 231 Book 7 Folio 6 Page 6
James birth reg shows mothers maiden name was Davy
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Hi Carole
Thank you for the information this ties up with what I have and on the marriage certificate 10/04/1861 for William and Joanna(h) their fathers are John Littlejohns and George Veal.
I have linked John to John Littlejohns Bulkworthy born 1803 who married Jane Edd(s) from Crediton which links to the 1851 Census showing them still in Bridestowe
Jane born 1804 widower John having died 1846
James son
Andy
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From my reply above
James birth reg shows mothers maiden name was Davy
In 1851 Jane is a 43yr old widow of a miner & James is 8. Address is the same as 1841
1851 William & brother Thomas are both agricultural labourers living in Lewtrenchard
Father - John Littlejohns died March qtr 1850 aged 46 buried 20.3.1850 Bridestowe
How have you linked William to John Littlejohns b Bulkworthy given he does not appear on any census with that birthplace?
How have you established Jane was Jane Edds given that James birth reg shows his mmn as Davy?
There is a marriage in 1851 on freebmd for a Jane Littlejohns formerly Davis so James birth reg could be a mistranscription
Jane Littlejohns Full Age
Marriage Date: Dec 1851
Marriage Place: Bridestowe, Devon, England
Residence Place: Bridestowe
Religion: Anglican
Father: John Davis
Spouse: John Gerry
In 1861 they are in Cornwall
Elizabeth 1839
Elizabeth's birth reg also shows mmn Davy
LITTLEJOHNS, ELIZABETH DAVY
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in OKEHAMPTON Volume 10 Page 191
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1851 census Bridestowe (Woodfordham)
Jane Littlejohns, Head, 47, widow, pauper formerly miners wife, born Crediton Devon
James Littlejohns, 8, son, at home, born Bridestowe
1841 census Bridestowe (Woodfordham) See reply #2 from Carole
John Littlejohns 35 miner
Jane Littlejohns 35
Mary Littlejohns 13
Samue Littlejohns l 9
Thomas Littlejohns 7
William Littlejohns 5
James Littlejohns 1mnth
(All born in county. Adults ages rounded down in this census. John and Jane may be older.)
Jane Littlejohns remarried in Dec 1851 Bridestowe to John GERRY (see Carole’s entry reply #4)
1861 census Calstock Cornwall
John Gerry 50 Head, mine labourer
Jane Gerry 52 wife born Crediton
Living in next house is John Littlejohns, 26, born Bridestowe, mine labourer with wife Maryann and children.
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Baptism for Jane DAVEY 27 Aug 1803 Crediton Devon.
Parents John and Mary (Marriage 5 Nov 1802 Crediton for John DAVEY and Mary PILE)
I cannot see a marriage for Jane DAVEY to LITTLEJOHNS
BUT, there is a marriage for a Jane DAVY to Robert EDDS in Exeter, 7 Nov 1825. (Looking at a transcript only)
Then the marriage of John Littlejohns and Jane Edds is in April 1827 in Upton Pyne (not far from Exeter). The bishops transcript of the marriage banns, does not give marital status of either person. Both groom and bride were “sojourners”. John signed, Jane left her mark.
Witnesses - John Webber (Church cleric?) and C A Richardson
Probable burial for Robert Edds in Thorverton 15 Dec 1825 (age 26). Thorverton seems to have been his birth parish also.
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The only baptism (that I could find) in Bridestowe for children of John and Jane Littlejohns is for their son John on 4 Oct 1829. Father is recorded as a labourer.
I have searched on Ancestry, FamilySearch and FreeReg.
I have found previously that FindMyPast seems to be better for Devon records.
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........ John having died 1846
Andy
Where does that death in 1846 come from? I cannot see it.
Death registration.
LITTLEJOHNS, JOHN age 46
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in OKEHAMPTON Volume 10 Page 173
Burial was in March, Bridestowe.
EDIT. Sorry, repeating. Carole has already posted this death.
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Apologise John's death is 1850 I have the certificate I read his age on the system in error.
So this is where I got to about 6 years ago and I am now revisiting hope to find something new to clarify the link back to earlier Littlejohns but appear to be in the same mess.
I have a clear trail to William and from William to the 1841 census then it gets very unclear:
Farther is John (confirmed in William's marriage certificate) but the closest I could find was John Littlejohns born 1803 Bulkworthy
Using FindMyPast (I am an Ancestry member) I have now found a John Littlejohns born 1802 registered at Bratton Cloverlly which is more probable.
Mother is Jane (in 41 census) two apparently plausible possibilities
Jane Edd(s)(Elder) - 1805 Thoverton not good but marriage record to John Littlehons 1827 Upton Payne
unfortunately the records from this time do not contain fathers name and the witnesses are probably church officials.
Jane Davy(Davey) - 1803 Crediton perfect but unable to find any marriage record
Incomplete records for children's (in 41 census) births/baptisms with possible links to all:
Bridestowe records with mother as Jane for Mary, John & James also with MMN as Davy
Also a record for Elizabeth Littlejohns with MMN as Davy not in 41 census
Holsworthy record for William with mother as Ann
No records for Thomas or Samuel
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Jane Davy(Davey) - 1803 Crediton perfect but unable to find any marriage record
I posted details of both marriages in my reply #6.
1st marriage to EDDS and 2nd marriage to LITTLEJOHNS.
Holsworthy record for William with mother as Ann
This is clearly NOT your family. The Holsworthy baptisms belong to a different family.
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Sorry Neale I missed the linking of Jane and still had in my head two separate Jane's and great detective work.
My concern looking at this is there is a
Jane Davy (exact surname spelling) Baptism Jun 1805 in Exeter, is 16 too early for the marriage to Robert Edds?
Also another Robert Edds baptism Sep 1799 Rewe by Exeter is it more likely these two where married in Exeter?
Also found a Jane Edd Baptism Jun 1805 Thorverton same parents as the Robert Edds you found.
All very close together and with no father information on marriages a bit tricky to work out.