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Hello again everyone. As you probably know that quite a few years ago I was looking for my family members.
I've recently been told that my great grandfather Cooper ( must be Samuel Benjamin) as we have known him as great grandfather Cooper.
Well apparently he had a brother who died along with his family. Who I believe have something to do with angels meadow. Apparently they lived at number 4 walkers croft. The only thing is I don't know what area. From what I've been told there are some steps and the building is still standing.
If anyone can help me with any of these I would really appreciate it.
My great grandfather Samuel Benjamin Cooper was married to isobela Cooper. They are the parents of my grandmother Mary Ann Cooper.
Thank you all so much for your help and your time.
Kind regards
Dorothy
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Hi Dorothy
So, this would be your grandmother and some of her details here?
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LL7V-15W/mary-ann-cooper-1891-1955
Monica
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Is this Samuel Benjamin son of John and Mary baptised Burnley,1872
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your post is a bit short of detail, are you talking about John Spencer Cooper died Manchester 1949, a blacksmith in 1939 136 Stanton Street Manchester wife Maria, HE MARRIES IN 1930,
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Manchester burial records have a record
Phoebe Cooper , Philips park cemetery non conformist grave 841 position 1 ,18/02/1929
same grave John Spencer Cooper, he was buried on the 23/02/1949
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“Angel Meadow” was a notorious area, close to central Manchester.
I can reccommend reading “Angel Meadow - Victorian Britain’s most Savage Slum” by Dean Kirby. The book mentions Walkers Croft Cemetery.
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Well apparently he had a brother who died along with his family.
Do you mean that something happened and they all died together?
Debra :)
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John Spencer COOPER
1901 - 64 Carmen Street, Ardwick
1911 - 123 Barrington Street, Clayton
1939 - 136 Stanton Street
Debra :)
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“Angel Meadow” was a notorious area, close to central Manchester.
I can reccommend reading “Angel Meadow - Victorian Britain’s most Savage Slum” by Dean Kirby. The book mentions Walkers Croft Cemetery.
Walkers Croft lies between Victoria Station and the River Irk bottom left of this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/231274206 (1889). The cemetery appears to lie beneath platforms 1, 2 3.
The situation in 1849 is shown on this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/231273873 (NE corner)
I don’t see any houses. By 1915, the whole thing had been subsumed into the station.
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Its a bit of a diversion from the thread but thanks so much to Ray T for posting those maps of the relevant area in Manchester in 1849 and 1889, which are fascinating! Great stuff ;)
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Dorothy, why do you think something to Samuel's brother? Is it from family stories or something you have come across?
Samuel and John's mother was showing as widowed by the time of the 1881 census. By the time of the 1891, Mary looks to have remarried, to a Samuel Goodwin. From your family tree on Family Search, I think you have all these census entries?
There was a son showing in 1891, 11 yr old Benjamin R(obert) Goodwin but likely he is from Samuel Goodwin's first marriage (mother's maiden name is showing as Coleman on Benjamin's birth index entry). I suppose, if the story is correct, it could also connect to him rather than John Spencer Cooper.
On the 1911 census, Benjamin is showing as married and living at 7 Victoria (St?) Altrincham. His death, at the age of 58, was registered in 1936 in Bucklow, Cheshire.
Monica
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I would like to say a big thank you to everyone who has been helping me with this about my great grandfather's family.
My great grandfather's name is Samuel Benjamin Cooper. He married isobel povey. What I'm trying to find out is if at all possible. If my great grandfather Samuel had any siblings. From what I've been told by a family member. One of our ancestors family is buried in angle meadow. It's believed that it's my great grandfather's brother but I don't know his name. Also a family member of my great grandfather's brother.
I've been trying to find Samuel Benjamin Cooper's family. But I can't find any. Except for his wife and children.
If anyone can help me with anything at all I would really appreciate it.
And thank you all for what you have done for me these last couple days.
I'm really sorry that I haven't replied back sooner. It's just that I've had a headache for a few days.
Thank you all again everyone.
Kind regards Dorothy
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Working from the marriage
Samuel Cooper 19, labourer. Father John Cooper, bricksetter
Isabella Povey aged 20. Father THomas Povey, carter
Address: 39 Grey Mare Lane
Marriage : 30 Jun 1890 Christ Church, Bradford
Censuses suggest Samuel's place of birth is Dukinfield or Burnley
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Samuel Benjamin Cooper
Baptism 6 Oct 1872, St Peter, Burnley
Father: John Cooper
Mother: Mary Cooper
Here they are in 1881 at 2 Scott St, Burnley - as indexed on Ancestry but Samuel's middle initial doesn;t look like W
Mary Cooper 37 - widow b Manchester
Saml.W. Cooper 9 b Dukinfield
Hannah E. Cooper 7 b Burnley
John S. Cooper 4 b Ardwick
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Just for information
Military records say Samuel born Whittlefield near the town of Burnley.
When he was discharged his address was 130 Cross Street, Bradford Manchester
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The only birth on GRO in the north of England is
1871 Samuel Benjamin Cooper registered September Quarter in Ashton under Lyne
Mother's maiden name is given as Robinson.
Volume 08D page 460
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1871 Samuel Benjamin Cooper registered Ashton under Lyne mmn Robinson
1873 Ann Elizabeth Cooper registered Burnley Union mmn Robinson
1877 John Spencer Cooper registered Chorlton mmn Robinson
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19 September 1870
St Mary, St Denys and St George Manchester (Manchester Cathedral)
Catherine Mary Robinson 26 Spinster 47 Tame Street
Father's Name: Samuel Robinson Spinner
Spouse's Name: John Edward Cooper 30 Bachelor, 47 Tame Street Pork Butcher
Spouse's Father's Name: Benjamin Cooper Engraver
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Hannah Elizabeth Cooper
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1873
Christening Date: 24 Dec 1873
Christening Place: Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
Father: John Edward Cooper
Mother: Catherine Mary Cooper
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1843 Catherine Mary Robinson registered December Quarter Manchester mmn Massey
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1851
Wright Street DeansgateManchester
Benjamin Cooper Head 44 born Glossop Engraver
Elizabeth Cooper Wife 40 born Chester
John Cooper Son 12 born Manchester
Charles Cooper Son 8 born Manchester
David Cooper Son 6 born Manchester
James Cooper Son 4 born Manchester
Emma Ann Cooper Daughter 1 born Manchester
1844 David Cooper registered Sub District Newton mmn Edwards
1846 James Cooper registered Sub District Newton mmn Edwards
1848 Emma Ann Cooper registered Sub District St George mmn Edwards
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Marriage: 14 Aug 1832 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Cooper - Mechanic, Bachelor, this parish
Elizabeth Edwards - (X), Spinster, this parish
Witness: Jane Dunning, (X); Thomas Clarke, Clerk
Married by Banns by: Willm. Hutchinson, Curate