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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: kobiashi on Tuesday 21 February 23 16:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
just found this forum and hoping it will provide some information on what im looking for.
I'm looking for my Granmother, her name was Margaret Ellen Williams (Maggie) she was born 28th April 1905 and died 7th Feb 1984, she was married to a man called Owen John Roberts and had three children between them called William John Roberts, Dilys Roberts and Alwena Roberts.
the family stories mentioned she had a very large family and was commonly known as Maggie 20, as she was the 17th child and the only daughter in a family of 20.
the father i was told was a farmer in the Menai bridge area, but this is the only information i have or can find I'm hoping someone on here can shed a little light on the subject as i find it hard to believe coming from allegedly a very large family that there is no information on them, i am currently on ancestry and my heritage, and am looking through the various documents but there is very info, i have found her on the 1939 census but this places her after she was married and had all three children .
Hoping someone can help
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Welcome to Rootschat.
I note the birth and death you mention both in her full name Margaret Ellen Williams, her mothers maiden name was also Williams. Have you checked the 1911 census for the family?
I have had a look on https://www.familysearch.org/search 1911, and whilst there are plenty Margaret/Maggie Williams I do not see one with just brothers, how certain is that information do you think?
Colin
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Hi Colin
thank you for the reply, i have checked the 1911 census but couldn't find anything based upon the information i have.
unfortunately i am not 100% certain on the information, but it did come from her children, William john was my father and his sisters did all say the same thing, she was the only daughter and had a large number of brothers.
can I ask where you searched?
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If this is the one baptised 11th June 1905 at Cerrigceinwen (about 10 miles from the town of Menai Bridge) then her parents are William and Margaret. Do you have a copy of her birth certificate to see if it is the right one?
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I have been thinking same, following this family
Name: Margaret Ellen Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 1905
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1905
Baptism Place: Cerrigceinwen, Anglesey, Wales
Father: William Williams
Mother: Margaret Williams
Page number: 88
Also Samuel 1901 & Evan 1907 baptised here. Death of Evan dec Q 1907
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Cerrigceinwen
1901- Llangristiolus, Anglesey
Piece: 5278, Folio: 72, Page number: 17
Address Tyn y Baidy? Looks like same address as baptisms
William Williams 46 Head
Margaret Williams 38 Wife
Owen Williams 13 Son
John Williams 11 Son
Richard Williams 9 Son
Robert Williams 7 Son
Samuel Williams 3 Weeks Son
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llangristiolus
In 1911 in Llandysilio, Druid Rd, Menai Bridge they have a Maggie E Williams age 5.
Parents married 28yrs 18 children born 8 still living
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VN-1LQ
Added - Welcome to Rootschat :)
Cas
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1891 - Address Minffordd, Llangadwaladr, Anglesey
Piece: 4664, Folio: 67, Page number: 13
William Williams 37 Head
Margaret Williams 28 Wife
William Williams 4 Son
Owen Williams 3 Son
John Williams 1 Son
Richard Williams 7mths Son
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llangadwaladr
Cas
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1921 free index think this maybe the family. Transcribed as Ethel? View record for details.
Maggie Ethel Williams 1905, Llangristiolus, Anglesey, living, Llandysilio Anglesey
Maggie Ethel, William, Margaret and 3 others are on this record
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llandysilio
Cas
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I'm looking for my Granmother, her name was Margaret Ellen Williams (Maggie) she was born 28th April 1905 and died 7th Feb 1984, she was married to a man called Owen John Roberts
Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
When and where did they marry?
Do you have the marriage certificate? If not, obtaining this would confirm her father's name and occupation, witnesses maybe family members
Edit to add
Possible marriage entry on FreeBMD
Sep 1932 St. Asaph 11b 572
Roberts Owen J Williams
Williams Margaret E Roberts
and on North Wales BMD
1932 St Asaph, Civil Marriage
ROBERTS Owen John
WILLIAMS Margaret Ellen
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That record seems to tally, below also on 1911 census.
Thomas Williams 7 Llangrestolus, Anglesey
Number in Family 6 - William, Margaret + four children.
William's Occupation LABOUR GENRAL, is the only difference to post.
Industry STATE QUARRY (Presume Slate Quarry)
Colin
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Marriages Sep 1883 Possible Marriage freebmd.
WILLIAMS Margaret Anglesey 11b 683
WILLIAMS William Anglesey 11b 683
Colin
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1921 free index think this maybe the family. Transcribed as Ethel? View record for details.
Maggie Ethel Williams 1905, Llangristiolus, Anglesey, living, Llandysilio Anglesey
Maggie Ethel, William, Margaret and 3 others are on this record
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llandysilio
Cas
Hi I have access to 1921 and you won't be disappointed if you buy this record.
Nesta
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Spent a while trawling through looking for the family and agree with the above.
Can anyone work out the birthplace of William Williams, I believe its Llechcynfarwy (in modern spelling). He's an agricultural Labour in 1891 but seems to have progressed to being a Slate Quarryman in later census. I nekver realised that there were slate mines on Anglesey till I just had a google now.
Margaret seems to wander around the slate valleys of Caernarfonshire - LLandygai, Llanddeiniolen and Bethesda all in the same area though.
Its interesting to track the children's birthplaces on google maps to see the areas around which they moved - all very close together.
Nesta
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I agree Nesta :) birthplace for William https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llechcynfarwy
Think this maybe their marriage going by census info, same address as family in 1891.
Name: William Williams, lab, address Hermon
Marriage Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 10 Apr 1882
Marriage Place: Llangadwaladr & Llanfeirian, Anglesey, Wales
Father: Hugh Williams lab
Spouse: Margaret Williams age 20, father Owen Williams lab, address Minffordd
Page number: 65
Margaret can be found with family in 1871 father Owen, mother Margaret & siblings, same address. Birthplace Bethesda matches 1911 census
1871 Piece: 5725, Folio: 83, Page number: 10
Llangadwaladr
Cas
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I have been thinking same, following this family
Name: Margaret Ellen Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 1905
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1905
Baptism Place: Cerrigceinwen, Anglesey, Wales
Father: William Williams
Mother: Margaret Williams
Page number: 88
1901
parish: Llangristiolus, Anglesey
Piece: 5278, Folio: 72, Page number: 17
Address Tyn y Baidy? Looks like same address as baptism
William Williams 46 Head
Margaret Williams 38 Wife
Owen Williams 13 Son
John Williams 11 Son
Richard Williams 9 Son
Robert Williams 7 Son
Samuel Williams 3 Weeks Son
In 1911 in Llandysilio, Druid Rd, Menai Bridge they have a Maggie E Williams age 5.
Married 28yrs 18 children born 8 still living
Added Welcome to Rootschat :)
Cas
WOW thats amazing, thank you, please can i ask where you found this on ?
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I'm looking for my Granmother, her name was Margaret Ellen Williams (Maggie) she was born 28th April 1905 and died 7th Feb 1984, she was married to a man called Owen John Roberts
Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
When and where did they marry?
Do you have the marriage certificate? If not, obtaining this would confirm her father's name and occupation, witnesses maybe family members
Edit to add
Possible marriage entry on FreeBMD
Sep 1932 St. Asaph 11b 572
Roberts Owen J Williams
Williams Margaret E Roberts
and on North Wales BMD
1932 St Asaph, Civil Marriage
ROBERTS Owen John
WILLIAMS Margaret Ellen
hi
i think this is the one, as its the only one i have found too.
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If this is the one baptised 11th June 1905 at Cerrigceinwen (about 10 miles from the town of Menai Bridge) then her parents are William and Margaret. Do you have a copy of her birth certificate to see if it is the right one?
thank you for your reply
im currently trying to obtain a birth certifcate.
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I'm looking for my Granmother, her name was Margaret Ellen Williams (Maggie) she was born 28th April 1905 and died 7th Feb 1984, she was married to a man called Owen John Roberts
Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
When and where did they marry?
Do you have the marriage certificate? If not, obtaining this would confirm her father's name and occupation, witnesses maybe family members
Edit to add
Possible marriage entry on FreeBMD
Sep 1932 St. Asaph 11b 572
Roberts Owen J Williams
Williams Margaret E Roberts
and on North Wales BMD
1932 St Asaph, Civil Marriage
ROBERTS Owen John
WILLIAMS Margaret Ellen
Would agree with Ladyhawk, her marriage details would confirm or rule out if her father was William. His occupation could have changed post 1911 to their marriage date. Unable to see father's occupation in 1921.
There was a number of children who died, but all boys on census except Maggie Ellen so there seems a lot of similarity to your family info.
Welsh family history can be difficult, certs are needed to confirm you are on correct family path.
This is very likely her birth registration, which would give parents and date of birth. PDF on GRO is around £7.00
WILLIAMS, MARGARET ELLEN mother's maiden name WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 465
Let us know if you obtain any certificates
Good Luck
Cas
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I have been thinking same, following this family
Name: Margaret Ellen Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 1905
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1905
Baptism Place: Cerrigceinwen, Anglesey, Wales
Father: William Williams
Mother: Margaret Williams
Page number: 88
1901
parish: Llangristiolus, Anglesey
Piece: 5278, Folio: 72, Page number: 17
Address Tyn y Baidy? Looks like same address as baptism
William Williams 46 Head
Margaret Williams 38 Wife
Owen Williams 13 Son
John Williams 11 Son
Richard Williams 9 Son
Robert Williams 7 Son
Samuel Williams 3 Weeks Son
In 1911 in Llandysilio, Druid Rd, Menai Bridge they have a Maggie E Williams age 5.
Married 28yrs 18 children born 8 still living
Added Welcome to Rootschat :)
Cas
WOW thats amazing, thank you, please can i ask where you found this on ?
Hi,
Census found on Ancestry. But the references would also be on FInd My Past.
1921 - https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census
Birth reg on https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results you will need to register but free to search. PDF certs for birth & death can be purchased here for around £7.00.
BMD also https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1911 census on https://www.familysearch.org/en/
Unable to post details of 1911 as against copyright rules on Rootschat. Other census years there also. 1921 same copyright rules.
Apologies if you already know this info
Keep us updated on findings
Cas :)
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I have been thinking same, following this family
Name: Margaret Ellen Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 1905
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1905
Baptism Place: Cerrigceinwen, Anglesey, Wales
Father: William Williams
Mother: Margaret Williams
Page number: 88
1901
parish: Llangristiolus, Anglesey
Piece: 5278, Folio: 72, Page number: 17
Address Tyn y Baidy? Looks like same address as baptism
William Williams 46 Head
Margaret Williams 38 Wife
Owen Williams 13 Son
John Williams 11 Son
Richard Williams 9 Son
Robert Williams 7 Son
Samuel Williams 3 Weeks Son
In 1911 in Llandysilio, Druid Rd, Menai Bridge they have a Maggie E Williams age 5.
Married 28yrs 18 children born 8 still living
Added Welcome to Rootschat :)
Cas
WOW thats amazing, thank you, please can i ask where you found this on ?
Hi,
Census found on Ancestry. But the references would also be on FInd My Past.
1921 - https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census
Birth reg on https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results you will need to register but free to search. PDF certs for birth & death can be purchased here for around £7.00.
BMD also https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1911 census on https://www.familysearch.org/en/
Unable to post details of 1911 as against copyright rules on Rootschat. Other census years there also. 1921 same copyright rules.
Apologies if you already know this info
Keep us updated on findings
Cas :)
Hi Cas
Please don't apologies, this in invaluable information, ive been trying to call the registry office in Anglesey for the past week and not managed to get through, ive just ordered a birth certificate now, hopefully it'll match the information i've found with all your help. as soon as it comes ill update the thread.
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Good luck with the cert, am sure the birth reg in reply #16 is her as it is the only one for mother maiden name Williams in correct reg quarter. Hopefully the birthdate matches.
Cas
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hey all
so I've received her birth cert today, all information on her is correct apart from the fathers first name, so i can only assume it was either a typo or that's what he went by.
I've just ordered the Death cert as well so hopefully that'll turn up too.
next battle is finding the 10 children that died
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Glad it was the correct birth, all matches except father name and he was William on all census and baptisms
There is this baptism for Evan. Samuel also baptised here 1901 & Mary Ellen 1905
Birth
WILLIAMS, EVAN mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 394
Evan Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1907
Baptism Place: Cerrigceinwen, Anglesey, Wales
Father: William Williams
Mother: Margaret Williams
Same address for parents Tyn Baidy or Beudy, Llangristiolus
Page number: 89.
Death
WILLIAMS, EVAN 0
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 291
Baptism for Thomas same address
Thomas Hugh Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Date: 27 Mar 1904
Baptism Place: Llangristiolus, Anglesey, Wales
Father: William Williams
Mother: Margaret Williams
Page number: 101
Birth
WILLIAMS, THOMAS HUGH mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 434
Cas
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Listed below are some of the brothers of Margaret Ellen Williams. This information comes from files of transcribed Anglesey birth and death registrations.
All the birth registrations have father William Williams, mother Margaret Williams. The deaths describe the child as a child of William Williams, the informant was either William Williams, father or Margaret Williams, mother.
Owen b.1 Jun 1882, Llangadwaladr; d. 17 Jan 1883, Minffordd, Llangadwaladr age 7 months.
Hugh b.28 Apr 1884, Llangadwaladr; d. 20 Jul 1889, Gatehouse, Rhyddgaer, Llangeinwen,age 5.
William b. 23 Feb 1886, Llangadwaladr
Owen b. 18 Jan 1888, Llangadwaladr
John b. 6 Jun 1889, Llangeinwen
Richie (Richard) b. 26 Aug 1890, Llangadwaladr
Hugh b. 24 May 1892, Llangristiolus; d. 2 Oct 1893, Tai'n coed, Llangristiolus, age 16 months.
Robert b. 24 Jun 1893, Llangristiolus
Thomas b. 19 May 1897, Llangristiolus; d. 21 Jun 1897, Ty Dora, Llangristiolus, age 32 days.
Samuel b. 8 Mar 1901, Llangristiolus
Thomas Hugh b. 7 Jan 1904, Llangristiolus
Evan b. 14 Nov 1906, Llangristiolus; d. 8 Oct 1907, Ty'n Beudy, Llangristiolus, age 10 months.
Quite a few still missing!
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Excellent info as always dragon T, should help the poster identify missing children of family.
Hopefully they will return and see it.
Cas