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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: MartinGoyette23 on Friday 17 February 23 03:10 GMT (UK)
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Good evening everyone,
Could someone help me find the death record of Marie Joseph Françoise Desdouets (known as Marie Desdouets in the US)? She is the daughter of Louis Joseph Marie Desdouets and Marie Vincente Goaziou and she was born 1894 in St-Pierre-et-Miquelon. She came to the US (Vermont) with her illegitimate child that she had with Joseph Paul Ernest Chesnel. She married Roy Elmer Mitchell in Massachusetts on June 12th, 1920 and she had at least one child with him. I have seen in some family trees on the Internet that some people say she married a John MacDonald and she had at least three children with him (Robert, Glenn and Mary). If the theory that she married John MacDonald is true, I might have found her date of death, but, without the marriage record, it is difficult to prove. Since Roy Elmer Mitchell died in 1979, it means that either the theory of John MacDonald is wrong or that Marie and Roy divorced.
Here is the information I have:
- Marriage with Roy Elmer Mitchell https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MN-X93G-N?i=59&cc=1928860 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MN-X93G-N?i=59&cc=1928860)
- Immigration https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9DZ-WSWN?i=177&cc=2185163&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQKQS-F8ZX (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9DZ-WSWN?i=177&cc=2185163&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQKQS-F8ZX)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9JX-PH96?cc=2185932&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLJ8-WWLQ (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9JX-PH96?cc=2185932&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLJ8-WWLQ)
- Son with Roy Elmer Mitchell https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R62-NNX?i=212&cc=1928860 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R62-NNX?i=212&cc=1928860)
- Roy Elmer Mitchell died in 1979 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JP3L-7PP (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JP3L-7PP)
- Possible 1940 census for Roy Mitchell in Boston https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9M1-72T1?i=31&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AK4JY-RWW (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9M1-72T1?i=31&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AK4JY-RWW)
- Possible 1940 census for Marie (John MacDonald Theory) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9MB-GHWF?i=28&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AVYWN-F2J (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9MB-GHWF?i=28&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AVYWN-F2J)
- Death of her possible child Glenn MacDonald https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKY-1JM2 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKKY-1JM2)
- Possible second marriage of Roy Mitchell https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21K-97CN (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21K-97CN)
- Possible burial place of Marie (John MacDonald theory) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/2501619/marie-j-macdonald (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/2501619/marie-j-macdonald) (the date of birth on the tombstone is the right one for Marie Desdouets)
Best regards,
Martin
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Looks like Glenn Winchell Mitchell (MacDonald) IS her son, according to this:
Name Glenn Winchell Mitchell
Sex Male
Race White
Father's Name Roy E.
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Marie J. Desdouets
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Birth
Event Date 2 Feb 1923
Event Place Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Certificate Number 2729
Source: "Massachusetts State Vital Records, 1841-1925", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6PX4-NS2N
Glenn's WWII registration (as Glenn MacDonald) has his person "who will always know your address" as Mrs. John MacDonald, 391 Van Dyer St.
Glenn's obituary is here:
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/news-journalonline/name/glenn-macdonald-obituary?id=21056085
Glenn's brother Robert passed away in 2014:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158534436/robert-e-macdonald
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Marie is listed in the 1930 US Census in Boston as Marie MacDonald with sons Robert and Glenn. The original record has Mitchell as both her sons' surnames, but Robert's has been transcribed as MacDonald. No other people are listed in the household, but she's indicated as married.
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Looks like Glenn Winchell Mitchell (MacDonald) IS her son, according to this:
Name Glenn Winchell Mitchell
Sex Male
Race White
Father's Name Roy E.
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Marie J. Desdouets
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Birth
Event Date 2 Feb 1923
Event Place Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Certificate Number 2729
Source: "Massachusetts State Vital Records, 1841-1925", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6PX4-NS2N
Glenn's WWII registration (as Glenn MacDonald) has his person "who will always know your address" as Mrs. John MacDonald, 391 Van Dyer St.
Glenn's obituary is here:
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/news-journalonline/name/glenn-macdonald-obituary?id=21056085
Glenn's brother Robert passed away in 2014:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158534436/robert-e-macdonald
Hi AnnaBme,
Thank you for the new information, it is really appreciated. It seems that Marie Desdouets and Roy Mitchell divorced between 1923 and 1927. Marie then remarried to John D. MacDonald before 1930 and her two sons (with Roy Mitchell) changed there last name to their stepfather's. The couple had one child (at least) named Mary Teresa MacDonald born on September 22nd 1931 in Connecticut.
After some research, I found some information on the family:
- The family is also present on the Richmond, New York 1940 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MB-94VX?view=index&action=view (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MB-94VX?view=index&action=view)
- Marie Teresa MacDonald's Social Security Numerical identification files
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6K4C-4HBJ (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6K4C-4HBJ)
- Marie Teresa's application for a marriage license
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS17-1S3H-D?view=index&action=view (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS17-1S3H-D?view=index&action=view)
I haven't been able to find any information on Roy Mitchell and Marie Desdouets' divorce and John MacDonald and Marie Desdouets' marriage.
Best regards,
Martin
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"John D MacDonald" and "Marie J Mitchell (Desdouets)" were married in Boston in 1927, according to a Massachusetts marriage index. John's name is transcribed incorrectly as Colin D MacDonald (Colin is the middle name of the John MacDonald listed above him.) The source for their marriage info is given as Vol. 2, page 88.
FamilySearch.org DOES have Boston 1927 Marriage License records online here:
https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/beta/search-results?place=4229284&startDate=1927-01-01&endDate=1927-12-31&lifeEvent=102860&lifeEventRecordTypes=104727&page=1&pageSize=100
However, I don't see an INDEX. Presumably their license is here but you would need to go through 10,000 pages to find it! ;D I'm just including this in case you find a reference to their certificate number elsewhere.
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"John D MacDonald" and "Marie J Mitchell (Desdouets)" were married in Boston in 1927, according to a Massachusetts marriage index. John's name is transcribed incorrectly as Colin D MacDonald (Colin is the middle name of the John MacDonald listed above him.) The source for their marriage info is given as Vol. 2, page 88.
FamilySearch.org DOES have Boston 1927 Marriage License records online here:
https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/beta/search-results?place=4229284&startDate=1927-01-01&endDate=1927-12-31&lifeEvent=102860&lifeEventRecordTypes=104727&page=1&pageSize=100
However, I don't see an INDEX. Presumably their license is here but you would need to go through 10,000 pages to find it! ;D I'm just including this in case you find a reference to their certificate number elsewhere.
Hi AnnaBme,
Thank you for the information, I will try to find it.
Best regards,
Martin
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Glad to help! 😊
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Hopefully this will directly link you to the marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BN-1WRR?view=explore&groupId=TH-909-52709-2702-41
Edit: if the direct link does not work, go to the link that AnnaBme posted above, then select Image Group Number 007723237, then image # 1175
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Hopefully this will directly link you to the marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BN-1WRR?view=explore&groupId=TH-909-52709-2702-41
Edit: if the direct link does not work, go to the link that AnnaBme posted above, then select Image Group Number 007723237, then image # 1175
Her residence is "5 Mansfield St., Alls, Boston"
Allston is a neighborhood in Boston and there is a 5 Mansfield Street in Allston.
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Marie J MacDonald
b 1895
d 26Jan 1988 Snohomish Washington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLW9-H7JQ
familysearch gives a basic transcription but ancestry has an image of the Death Certificate. Additional details are :
Marie J MACDONALD ( widowed ) born March 19 1894 , birthplace French Possession
Father's name : Unknown DESDOUETS mother's name : unknown
Informant : Robert MACDONALD of 2019 Fairlane Road Belair Maryland.
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Hopefully this will directly link you to the marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BN-1WRR?view=explore&groupId=TH-909-52709-2702-41
Edit: if the direct link does not work, go to the link that AnnaBme posted above, then select Image Group Number 007723237, then image # 1175
Hi bbart,
Thank you for finding the marriage record, it is really appreciated.
Best regards,
Martin
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Hopefully this will directly link you to the marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BN-1WRR?view=explore&groupId=TH-909-52709-2702-41
Edit: if the direct link does not work, go to the link that AnnaBme posted above, then select Image Group Number 007723237, then image # 1175
Her residence is "5 Mansfield St., Alls, Boston"
Allston is a neighborhood in Boston and there is a 5 Mansfield Street in Allston.
Hi oldohiohome,
Thank you for the information. I wasn't able to read the place where they were married, but after looking at the church addresses in Allston, I managed to find that it was at Saint Anthony Parish.
Best regards,
Martin
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Marie J MacDonald
b 1895
d 26Jan 1988 Snohomish Washington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLW9-H7JQ
familysearch gives a basic transcription but ancestry has an image of the Death Certificate. Additional details are :
Marie J MACDONALD ( widowed ) born March 19 1894 , birthplace French Possession
Father's name : Unknown DESDOUETS mother's name : unknown
Informant : Robert MACDONALD of 2019 Fairlane Road Belair Maryland.
Hi Christine53,
Thank you for the information on her death record, it is really appreciated. I will look for the record on Ancestry when I'll go to the library.
I am only missing her divorce record which I will ask to the Suffolk Probate and Family Court.
Best regards,
Martin
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Christine53 posted, in reply #9, the info of a death of Marie J. MacDonald.
You can view the image directly from the Washington archives:
https://digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/Download/ca5bfe34-dbdb-4086-9ad0-10d3827e6740
If the above direct link does not work for you, here is the basic search page:
https://digitalarchives.wa.gov/Search
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Christine53 posted, in reply #9, the info of a death of Marie J. MacDonald.
You can view the image directly from the Washington archives:
https://digitalarchives.wa.gov/DigitalObject/Download/ca5bfe34-dbdb-4086-9ad0-10d3827e6740
If the above direct link does not work for you, here is the basic search page:
https://digitalarchives.wa.gov/Search
Hi bbart,
Thank you for her death record.
Best regards,
Martin