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Hi Folks
Is it possible to trace/find Wills - I am trying to find out why the person in this letter left this property to my gran in 1958
:'( I am totally gutted having just looked at the property prices now in that street, my granparents could not afford the repairs so sold it for a few hundred pounds not long after they got it.
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken,
Here in Canada when someone applies for "Letters of Administration" that means that the person died without a will. If they had a will it would of been Letters Probate that was granted by the courts.
Karen
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Hi Ken
Karen is probably correct in the assumption that there was no will. However, administations are logged with the wills and will show name/date & place of death/possibly residence/person to whom administration granted/value of estate. All this information is also in the index - free to view at First Avenue House, High Holborn, London.
You can apply for a copy of the grant of administation for £5 but it is possible that it will show no more infomation that what is in the free index.
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm
Casalguidi
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Karen/Casalguidi
:'( the other problem I have with it is I cannot find his date of death on the 1837 website, but thanks for the info will look at the link tomorrow
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken,
If you are able to get a copy of the Letters of Administration it should show you the date and place of death. Since your letter is dated 1958 I would think that is the year you need to look for. It will also show you who is entitled to share on the intestacy and their relationship to the deceased, so perhaps it may explain more of why your gran received the property.
Just a thought, the lawyer I worked for was practising law then and even though he died about 5 years ago, the files from then still remain and are currently being sent to another law firm. Prehaps you could find out what happened to this lawyer, if anything and if someone took over his practice.
Karen
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Hello Ken
I think you might find that the deceased is a chap called Sidney H Cotterell who died in the Mar quarter of 1958,age 79.
Ref is Lambeth 5c 1525.
Don't know how old your gran would have been in 1958- but could he have been a family friend or maybe a grateful elderly neighbour?
What a shame about not being able to afford the upkeep on the house,and having to sell it :(
HTH
Carol
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Hi Karen/Carol
Will check out the law firm if it is still around tomorrow.
That must be the right person, Lambeth is the area of the property :'(
My gran was born in 1910 so that makes her 48 in 1958, we actually suspect him of being her father and was hoping to confirm that on a will or something
Regards
Ken
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WOULD YOU "ADAM & EVE" IT
Typed in the address of solicitor - 328 norbury ave norbury into yahoo and at the top was this.....
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/Devon_Finch_family/pafg08.htm
First line Edmund Charles Finch
Second line died 1968
I have emailed the contact on this website -- lets see what happens -- fingers crossed
Also wrote to hmcourts-service
Regards
Ken
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To me it seems that it is Mrs Anderson who is entitled to the property and is giving it to your grandmother. I would be trying to find out who Mrs Anderson was.
The property would have been passed to your grandmother by way of assent, if directly given from the estate, or conveyance, if given by Mrs Anderson after Mrs Anderson inherited it. It is possible that the deed was registered, as even before national property registration through the Land Registry was in place there was a system of registration of deeds. I don't know about London, I am based in Yorkshire, but here we can search in the West Riding Registry of Deeds for deeds registered before about 1970, when compulsory registration began to come in.
If you can find a copy of the deed, it would probably show Mrs Anderson's full name and address, it may recite how she came to be transferring the property (either as owner or as Administrator), and it may even give a reason - usually a conveyance states the purchase price but if there isn't one it should say what the consideration was - eg "natural love and affection" if between family members.
You could even try the Land Registry. If deeds contain information which needs to be passed on they keep copies and note it on the registers.
Good luck.
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Hi CarolynM
Just used the Online Enquiries at the Land Registry re:old deeds. Let see what happens
Regards
Ken
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This is the reply from the Land registry :'(
Dear Ken,
Thank you for your enquiry.
We do not keep the old deeds but return them to the solicitor after first registration. They are then normally passed on with each change of ownership.
You can apply for a copy of the register which will show who the current owner is. The fee is £2.00, payable by credit/debit card.
Please follow this link to use Land Register Online:-
http://www.landregisteronline.gov.uk/
Regards
Carmel Austin
Land Registry
Customer Information Centre
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Quick update
casalguidi - that link you sent was well worth a fiver - I now know
1/ His full name
2/ Exact date of death and place
3/ Intestates - widower without issue or parent
4/ Mrs Andersens full name a address, she was his sister and only person entitled to his estate
5/ Full value of estate and how much the taxman got.
Still dont answer question but lots more info to work with.
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken
Am pleased that it was useful - some useful information you have there :)
Casalguidi