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Hi,
Has anyone out there got anything on the Dod/Dodd family of Moreton,Cheshire in the 1600/1700s?
I am trying to go as far back as I can with this family and the name comes up as early as 1601 from what I’ve found so far.It would be great if anyone could help me fill the gaps.
My ancestor, Margaret Dodd was born in 1777 and baptized at St.Oswald’s, Bidston.I believe her father was Thomas Dodd.
Does anyone know if there is a connection between the Moreton Dodds and the Dodd family of Edge?
Thank you
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Hiya Mojo - Margarets baptism record
KEYCODE BIDSC00600513.20291
PADVER bidsC0513.2
PARISH_CODE BIDS
TAGGED 0
DATED 7771005
FORENAME MARGARET
SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME THOS
MOTHER_FORENAME MARY
SURNAME DODD
RESIDENCE MOR
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so you put a 1 in front of the 7771005 and this becomes 5th Oct 1777
as you can see - mum is Mary - and although baptised in Bidston - they actually lived in Moreton :)
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bit more info on this one - Margarets brother James
KEYCODE BIDSC00600513.20327
PADVER bidsC0513.2
PARISH_CODE BIDS
TAGGED 0
DATED 7790530
FORENAME JAMES
SEX M
FATHER_FORENAME THOMAS
MOTHER_FORENAME MARY
SURNAME DODD
OCCUPATION LABOURER
RESIDENCE MORT
DATE_OF_BIRTH 7790501
ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION THOMAS SN THOS AND JANE DODD:MARY DA JOHN AND ALICE EVANS
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So this tells us that Thomas the father was the son of Thomas and Jane Dodd
and Mary the mother was the daughter of John and Alice Evans
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so you have now gone back a generation :)
https://cprdb.csc.liv.ac.uk/Live/v3.6/database.html
Cheshire Parish Records Database site -
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The earliest Dodd baptism is
19th sept 1547 in Burton - Burton to Moreton is 12 miles
KEYCODE BURTC00100775.30136
PADVER burtC0775.3
PARISH_CODE BURT
TAGGED 0
DATED 5470919
FORENAME ANNA
SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME WILLMUS
SURNAME DODD
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Thanks Garstonite!!
A great start. Looking at the Cheshire parish record project database, I have found a Thomas and Mary of Moreton appear to be producing offspring for 36 years? (1758-1794).Is this likely?
They appear to have married in 1757, but then there is a Thomas Dodd marrying a Mary Williamson in 1774.It seems a bit confusing.Is this the same Thomas remarrying or another?
Any thoughts much appreciated!
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So are you saying Thomas married ANOTHER MARY ?.... if the first Mary died in childbirth it is a distinct possibility ... :)
have you checked for a death /burial for a Mary Dodd from Moreton between 1757 - 1773 ?
ADDED
Just checked on CPRDb - no burial for a Mary Dodd in Bidston / Moreton :-\
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Hi,
This one is a bit of a nightmare to fathom out!
Thomas senior, wife Jane appear to have had twin sons, Thomas and Edward. Both sons had sons named Thomas and maybe married women called Mary.
So either Thomas married twice Or we have two Thomas’ producing children at roughly the same time. I feel like I’m missing something here.
To be honest, I’m having trouble getting my head round this one!
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Hello
Quite confused but here's what I have
Thomas Dod married Mary Williamson at Bidstone both of this parish 27.12.1774
both made mark
Witnesses William Dod and Thos Wilson (the clerk)
Children
William 16 July 1775
Mary 29.7.1775 Moreton (this baptism was omitted note underneath)
William 22.12.1776
Margaret 5.10.1777,Moreton
James 30 May 1779 s of Thomas of Moreton lab s of Thomas and James Dod and Mary d of John and Alice Evans
Mary 30 Jan 1780 Moreton
Jane 4 May 1783 Moreton
Betty 23.8.1789 Moreton
Thomas 7.3.1794 Moreton
Hannah 26.10.1794 Moreton
The other marriage
Thomas Dod and Mary Evans is also at Bidstone 27.12.1757 both single by banns
So 2 couples having children .
Thomas Dod 1758-18 Feb 1835 is probably the son of the older couple born 10 Sep 1758.
His father Thomas Dodd 1724-21.4.1791 Moreton perhaps
Just to make it clearer to everyone
ps guessing a bit but perhaps Thomas and Jane with son Thomas 1729 ,Thomas born c 1707 s of Thomas ,Thomas son of William born 1685.
What does everybody else think?
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Ciderdrinker,
Thanks for your input.I think there is a lot of confusion regarding whose children are who’s.Because there is an overlap it gets confusing and messy.
We seem to have:
Thomas Dodd & Mary Evans
Thomas Dodd & Mary Williamson
The James you have b1779 is the son of Thomas and Mary Evans and not Thomas and Mary Williamson(see what Garstonite put above).
I’m not totally sure yet but it looks like father and son were both producing children at the same time and both wives were called Mary.
Thomas senior had a twin brother named Edward, who appears to have had a son named Thomas born 1754!
This only adds to the confusion.
My current best guess is:
John or William Dodd father of
William Dode b 1638
Wife Alice died 1673
Son Thomas b 1686
Married Susanna Jones 1704
Son Thomas b 1706
Married to Jane ? Who possibly died1761
SonThomas b1729
Married Mary Evans 1759
Son Thomas b 1758 who maybe married Mary Williamson
Untangling the Thomas Dodds is the problem.Any thoughts on this guess?
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Good Morning
Well done ,you have done well!
Smashed it.
I agree with you but perhaps I can add a few details or possibilities.
Thomas and Jane Dodd married before 1729
There is a marriage licence applied for 31st Dec 1728
Adshead of Waverton and Dod of Gusdon?
Could that be them? No first names and I can't find their marriage
There is a Will for a Mary Dodd of Bidston widow 1820.
To granddaughter Pheobe Dodd who resides with me all my stock,chattels ,estate and households goods
And my granddaughter Charlotte and Mary Pemberton to reside with her until they can make arrangements for themselves.
Exe Pheobe Dodd and John Radley
She died 21 June 1820 Probate 28th Made 23rd March
Her burial says she was 92 so born 1728
The Pemberton girls were born 1806 and 1807 daughters of Samuel and Mary Pemberton nee Dodd married Liverpool St Peter 26 June 1805.
Looks like Mary Dodd daughter of Thomas and Mary born c1780 . or 1775
Pheobe Mary's daughter bapt 28 June 1794
The original is on Familysearch.
Sorry I haven't got more
Ciderdrinker
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Hi,
Looks like you’ve been busy too!
I’m going to take a look at family search at the weekend.
I do have another couple of bits for you. The first mention of the Dod name in the area I have found so far was in a book The history of the old parish of Bidston, which I found online at hslc.org.uk
In it I found the following:
20th August 1601. George Bate of Poole Yeoman. Land in Moreton transferred to John Dod of Egerton Yeoman.
I believe the Dods of Egerton may be somehow related to the Dods of Edge, who seem to have been some kind of landed gentry(not looked at this family)
The same book also has:
1604
The Davieses granted 2 Messuages and 60 ac in Moreton to Thomas Dod and John Lea
There is also a mention of William Dod tenant of Lord Kingston in there.And a James Dod Yeoman in 1777 being deforciant to a fine.
I wonder if these were the 1st Dods in Moreton? One possibility is that John Dod of Egerton moved family into the area ? This would take a lot of research to prove either way I think.
I think we can fairly confidently say that William born 1638 (possibly died 1668) belongs to our line.
Could the possible father of William b1638 John or William (Gulielmus) be of Egerton?
The population of Moreton in 1665 was 165 by the way.
I think there is more to be discovered!!
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Latest update:
Looking at the Cheshire Parish record project database, I have figured out the following:
Thomas Dodd & Mary Evans married 1757
They had 3 sons named Thomas
Born 1758,1765 &1768.The earlier 2 must have died.
Thomas Dodd and Mary Williamson married 1774
This means Thomas, the son of Thomas and Mary Evans could not possibly marry Mary Williamson.He was only six years old in 1774.
This Thomas is likely to have been son of Edward, who was born 1754. This Edward was twin brother of Thomas who married Mary Evans.
Of course, this means all children born before 1774 belong to Thomas and Mary Evans.However. Those born 1774-1794 could be from either couple.It is probable that the later ones belong to Thomas & Mary Williamson though.
Hope this makes sense.What do you think?
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Hello
Yes that makes sense
Good work
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Ciderdrinker,
I’ve looked at your Pembertons and believe the following:
Mary Dodd who died 1820 is Mary Evans.
I think her husband Thomas died in 1791 but the age is a few years out.I haven’t found a single other Thomas Dodd born in the 1720s in Cheshire though.
Mary’s daughter born 1775 belongs to Mary Evans and Thomas Dodd, not Mary Williamson.
Phoebe was Mary b1775 illegitimate daughter.
Mary born 1775 married Samuel Pemberton who was a carter on the marriage.
Thomas Dodd brother or cousin of Mary married Barbara? (Forgot my notes). He was also a carter and lived at 52 and 60 Leeds Street, Liverpool in the 1820s
My direct ancestors Margaret Dodd and John Moore who was also a carter and later cart owner. His son Henry later lived at 55 Leeds Street. Margaret b 1777 would also be sister or cousin.
Thomas and Barbara appear to have returned to the Bidston area and are buried in Bidston churchyard.
John Moore and Margaret lived the rest of their lives in Liverpool but are also buried at Bidston.My brother once visited the graveyard but couldn’t find a grave.Thomas and Barbara’s is there though.
That’s all for today
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Just came back to this thread - excellent team work - I could not have solved that - WELL DONE Ciderdrinker and Mojo ... :)
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Hi Garstonite,
Thanks for the praise!! I think there is still a lot to do to figure this family out fully though.
Mojo