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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: Yasmina4 on Tuesday 31 January 23 16:01 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have the history of Tan y Coed. The old mill esgairdawe
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Had trouble locating the mill, since it is called Cwmdawe mill. See the map: https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/d9b5a407-7743-455f-a5fd-6859a53dc7f4
Classed as a corn mill.
On the 1891 census the miller is widowed John Davies aged 63 with his 2 daughters Margaret and Ann. The address is Cwmdawe Mill, Bryndifyr, Pencarreg, Lampeter, Carmarthenshire, Wales
RG12 Piece 4552 F30 p11 sced 39
Margaret is the miller there in 1901 & 1911 (aged 68)
They were at Cwmdawe farm next to the mill in 1881, John widowed with daughters but farming 84 acres, the miller being John Jones aged 31 who also farmed 15 acres with his wife and their 3 little children, first born 1875, so they must have married before moving in to the mill by 1881, since they are not there in 1871.
David Davies and wife and his step daughters are at the mill in 1871, he is 48 and is miller and farmer of 30 acres.
Evan Davies aged 50 with wife Jemima and 3 sons and a farm servant are at the mill but farming (no mention of being a miller)
Haven't yet found the mill on 1851 / 61.
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Was for sale in 1916
https://papuraunewydd.llyfrgell.cymru/view/3690123/3690124
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I think perhaps there were two mills..the family I am looking for is nelly(elenor)wife of John Jenkins cart and horses rhydcwmerau.
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I did wonder.
Eleanor and John Jenkins are at the Horse and cart from 1871 on, which is an inn. They are at Cwmdubach 1861 with 2 week old daughter. he is an ag lab
1851 Eleanor Davies 13 with parents james and Mary and sister Sarah at Rhydyfallen fach, he is a farmer of 27 acres and smith.
You named the mill as Tanycoed, but this seems to be a separate property that does not seem to be a mill. on their marriage cert john jenkins and his father were butchers and james davies a smith, so not sure how the mill fits in
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Thank you. You seem to have found my family.
John jenkins father was known as Dai butcher.
I understood eleanor s father to be a Miller..
I believe one of the familes lived at rhyd y fallon fach.
Esgairdawe but thats hear say.
I was well aware of john and Nelly s life at the inn and their offspring but have only recently found that they both hailed from esgairdawe..
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You may have them, but John Jenkins has a few mentions in newspapers:
1893 John Jenkins fined for keeping carriages without a licence https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3796323/3796329/48/
1907 death notice for Nellie https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3433387/3433393/131/
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3678217/3678218/3/ bottom of last column describes the sale of the Cart and Horse occupied by John Jenkins in 1914
John Jenkins was sued by David Davies in 1910 over sale of sheep https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3881441/3881443/15/
1914 John Jenkins sued Rees Ll Evans a cattle dealer for balance for goods sold. See col 6 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3678208/3678211/30/
Above also in more detail in bottom of col 4 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3412284/3412287/29/
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In 1841 there seem to be 2 Davies families in the same area, with daughters Eleanor (age difference of 10 years). One Davies famlly are at mill, Pencarreg and the other at Tanycoed.
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At the Mill (next to Dolgwm isaf) we have the Davieses all born out of county. David Davies born 1791 and wife Ann 1816, with preseumed daughter Elinor born 1821 and a Thomas Evans servant.
HO 107 PIECE 1380 F 19 PAGE 1 Schedule 2026
Over the page 1841 is Tanycoed, with John Davies a mason born 1771 born in county, Elinor 1781 born out of county and Elinor aged 13 born 1828 in county.
1851 there's an Elenor Davies unmarried servant aged 31 born 1820 at Penybank Llanycrwys at David Isaac's farm HO 107 Piece 2483 F141 page 9 sch 33 She could be the Elinor from the mill
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Thank you.
John jenkins kept the judiciary busy . I knew hed been sued for bankruptcy but not the other cases.
Eleanor was a deacon of her chapel.
To get to know john you will find 20 pages about him in the book the old farmhouse by d Williams who credits john with his early education.
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It appears that the unmarried 31 year old Elenor at Penybank in 1851 with David Isaac and his family, is actually his daughter.
There is a marriage in Llanycrwys parish Church13 Apr 1838 (so before 1841 census) for an Elenor Davies to Daniel Davies a shoemaker of Rhosfach son of William Davies a farmer. Elenor Davies was a minor in age Penybank daughter of David Isaac a farmer.
This suggests that the Elenor is not yours, since on her marriage to John Jenkins she lists her father as James Davies.
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Thank you.
I understood my great grandmother was born in esgairdawe. A farmers daughter
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Elenor is the elenor at Rhydyfallen fach with parents, father James. Rhydyfallen fach is 7 fields away from Cwm Dawe Mill, which is just down the road from Esgair Dawe chapel.
James Davies of Pencarreg married Mary Thomas of Lanybydder, at Llanybyther Parish Ch 14 Nov 1832, by Banns with consent of parents. James signed his name as did the w witnesses Possibly Jn Davies (of Pithyn) and David Davies Brynllo fawr
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Yes looks like she was born at a Mill - Maestyle Mill is where they are in 1841. Maestyle Mill is next to Maestyle and a few properties away from Rhydyfallen isaf (which could also be known as Rhydfallen fach - the lesser of two listed with same name, althouh there appears top be at least one other a middle farm on later maps).
James the blacksmith and Mary both 30 born in county, with 3 daughters Mary aged 8, Anne aged 5 and Elinor aged 4.
The enumerated properties after their address and the all lead up northwards to Maes y Pwll, Penybanc and up towards Capel y Wern, Maes yr Hen Arth.
Haven't yet found a baptism for Elenor.
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That's brilliant research. Thank you so much.
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On the 1851 census, Maestile, Maestile Mill and Pandy are on the next page forward from the Rhydyfallen farms, which are themselves one page in front of the OTHER mill - Cwm Dawe Mill.
HO L07/ Piece 2483/ F 119 Page 28 Sched 128
Baptisms probably Non Con
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Thank you