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Have 1858 Dumfries marriage cert for Robert Robison 26 and Jane Beck 29.
Roberts parents are shown as Robert Robison and Mary ?
Unable to decypher mother's name, may be Harrison or Morrison.Any help would be appreciated as this is preventing completion of a seven generation fan chart.
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Do you have them on the 1861 census showing his birthplace?
Have you looked for his birth on Scotlands People as it will show mothers maiden name? If he died in Scotland his death cert will show parents details
Have you looked for parents marriage on Scotlands People?
If all else fails - scan the bit with her name on it & post it here
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There is a baptism for Robert Robison
DOB 9 Jun 1831
Baptism Date: 14 Jul 1831
Baptism Place: Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Father: John Robison
Mother: Margaret Ferguson
Could this be him?
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Post says father was Robert & mother was Mary
Although marriage was in Dumfries - we don't know whether he was born there or elsewhere
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Have trawled scotlands people extensively with all likely variants withot success.
Attached poor image refers.
Bob
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Bob - Where was Robert junior born?
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English 1841 has a Robert Robison aged 11 b Cumberland - mother is Mary but no father shown
Also an entry b 1832 Nottingham - parents Robert & Mary both b Scotland - Robert was a tea dealer
What was his fathers occ on the 1858 marriage cert?
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Just for info, Robert & Jane had a daughter Mary Jane Robison 1860 mmn Beck.
Marriage
ROBISON
MARY JANE
COUPLAND
JAMES
1894
821 / 84
DUMFRIES
Death
COUPLAND
MARY JANE
50
mmn BECK
F
1909
821 / 394
DUMFRIES
John
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Thanks for that johnhood,have added this person to the tree.
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When Mary Jane was born at 10pm 17th October 1860 her father's occupation was a "journeyman coach painter.
John
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Think he is recorded as Robinson in the 1861 and 1871 census. In 1871 he is in Hamilton with 3 children, Robert Mary Jane and Agnes. Geneanet tree has his death in Dumfries in 1877, 15 June and burial in St Mary's Churchyard.
William
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1861 census
Name: Robert Robinson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Robinson
Mother's Name: Jane Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfries
Registration Number: 821
Registration district: Dumfries
Civil parish: Dumfries New Church
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Fallas Close High St
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 107
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_143
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Robinson 29 Head occupation coach painter-journeyman
Jane Robinson 25 Wife
Robert Robinson 2 Son
Mary I Robinson 6 Mo Daughter
This is the address of Mary Jane's birth in 1860
;D
in 1871 census Roberts occupation according to Ancestry is Coal Painter
info only
Robert Robison born 1858 mmn BANK
Agnes Robison born 1867 mmn BACK
John
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Your opening post only mentions a 7 generation chart but you don't say which of the Robison children you are descended from & you still haven't told us where Robert was born. You also did not appear to know about the birth of daughter Mary Jane?
What was Roberts occupation on the 1858 marriage cert & what was his fathers occupation?
We need to know which of the children of Robert & Jane you are descended from - are you absolutely certain you have the right Robert & Jane marrying in Dumfries?
Here's the reason for asking
1871 for Dumfries - all Robison - not Robinson. All children from Janet onwards were born Annan
Robert 36 b England - miller/grain dealer
Jane 35 b Gretna
William T 12 b England
Joseph 10 b England
Janet 8
Jane 6
Elizabeth 4
Robert 2
Thomas 6mths
There is no marriage in England for a Robert Robison to a Jane before 1864
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Hi Carole, re your last post
What was Roberts occupation on the 1858 marriage cert & what was his fathers occupation?
His father was Robert Robison occupation Gentlemans Coachman and I believe his mothers maiden name is Harrison
Robert jnr was a coach painter journeyman
Robert in 1861/71 census born Dumfries
John
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1841 census has a 9 year old Robert Robison at Midrow, Dumfries with Thomas Spalding and Mary Spalding.
1851 census at Queensbury Street, Dumfries
Thomas Spalding 60
Mary Spalding 57 wife
Robert Spalding son 19 apprentice coach painter b Dumfries
I therefore wonder if Robert was actually Mary Spalding's son. There is a marriage in Troqueer of a Thomas Spalding to a Mary Morrison in 1837. John could the surname you are reading as Harrison perhaps be Morrison?
William
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Marriage
SCOTT
JANE
ROBINSON
ROBERT
1858
827 / 3
GRAITNEY OR GRETNA
ROBINSON, WILLIAM JOHN mmn SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 404
ROBINSON, JOSEPH mmn SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 375
On 1861 census this Robert Robinson is in Carlisle with Jane and 2 children occupation "Miller"
1881 census
son Isaac
ROBINSON
ISAAC RONALD
SCOTT
M
1871
812 / 137
ANNAN
John
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1841 census has a 9 year old Robert Robison at Midrow, Dumfries with Thomas Spalding and Mary Spalding.
1851 census at Queensbury Street, Dumfries
Thomas Spalding 60
Mary Spalding 57 wife
Robert Spalding son 19 apprentice coach painter b Dumfries
I therefore wonder if Robert was actually Mary Spalding's son. There is a marriage in Troqueer of a Thomas Spalding to a Mary Morrison in 1837. John could the surname you are reading as Harrison perhaps be Morrison?
William
Yes, definatley Morrison
John
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Hi, I am ready to be laughed out of court here. Carole's opening comments in post#12 are very valid and a response to them would be welcome. However I do feel the 1871 census details she posted are not our man.
Based on all the info posted this is my take on the life of Robert Robison.
Born c1831/32 in Dumfries, Mother Mary Morrison(as per marriage certificate) and father Robert
1837 Thomas Spalding marries a Mary Morrison
1841 census appears with Thomas Spalding and Mary as Robert Robison
1851 census appears with Thomas and Mary as Robert Spalding- occ apprentice "Coach Painter"
4.10.1851 death of Thomas Spalding aged 62 Dumfries
1858 Robert Robison marries Jane Beck
1861 appears as Robert Robinson-occupation Coach Painter-journeyman at the address re the birth of his daughter Mary Jane Robison
1862 Birth of son James Robison, dies aged 2 1864 Dumfries mmn Beck
1865 Birth of son Thomas Robison, dies aged 1 1866 Dumfries mmn Beck
1871 appears as Robert Robinson in Hamilton with wife & children occ-coach painter.
1877 Probable death aged 45 in Dumfries--details of death cert unknown at present
John
added:
Robert Robinson died aged 47 15th June 1877 husband of Jane Beck. His occupation Coach Painter. Death registered by son Robert Robinson. No fathe recorded but mother Mary Morris- occupation Growser (deceased)
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Moving towards accepting 1841census for Newark,Notts.which shows Robert jnr parents born in Scotland and Robert born Newark 1832.
Parents both born Scotland but possibly married in Notts. Circa 1827?
Unfortunately none of this helps with Mothers maiden name.
Thanks everybody for your efforts.
Bob
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Bob, I feel your being somewhat elusive, lots of folk here are more than willing to help. Please do tell us how you have got back to Robert c 1832 and through which lines.
John
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Re the Robert Robison in Newark his mother was Mary McMyn. ( can be established via sibling James). He can be identified in Newark in subsequent censuses and was a tea dealer/grocer. A daughter called Jessie is recorded in the 1881 census- her mother's maiden name was Clark. 1871 wife is showing as Jeanie and in 1881 as Jessie - suspect a second marriage. Both marriages may have been in Scotland.
The Newark Robert was unmarried in 1861. The Dumfries wedding to Jane Beck could not be for him.
William
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Thanks William,you are correct,seems I was barking up the wrong tree for wee while.Pity though because most of the other facts seemed a good fit.
Will carry on looking.
Bob