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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: llunwen on Monday 30 January 23 22:46 GMT (UK)
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I think this thread explains my problem and gives all the information I have.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=869814.msg7407821
Where could I start to find passenger lists to South Africa?
Thank you
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Sorry about the above. Just for clarity, is this the 1901 census you have? In Llanllyfni with parents John and Catherine.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BW-PFH
Others on here will be able to provide you with more information regarding South African records, however I have found this site quite helpful in the past. And some passenger lists are on familysearch.
https://www.eggsa.org/arrivals/eGGSA%20Passenger%20Project.html
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That is the family in 1901.
Have had a look at the passenger list you gave the linked to but no luck yet
thank you
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Sorry might have posted this on the other page as well by mistake.
There's a report in the newspaper (original in Welsh & translated below) or a Hugh Griffiths of Llwyndu Bach - could it be him? Its in Yr Herald Cymraeg 13th September 1910, p.5 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3781415/3781420/35/
I'R TR'ANSVAAL.—Aeth Mri John Humphreys, Snowdon Street, a Hugh Griffiths, Llwyndu Bach, Penygroes, i'r lie uchod dydd Gwener. Maent wedi treulio blynyddau lawer yn y gwledvdd pell.
Translation: TO THE TRANSVAAL - Mr John Humphreys Snowdon street and Hugh Griffiths, Llwyndu Bach, Penygroes went to the above place on Friday. The have spent many years in far off lands.
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Info from 1901 census matches that of Hannah and parents in 1911 Census, where they are living at Llwyndu Bach, so the Welsh newspaper report is him.
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hat is him. 0n 1911 census his sister was a dairy farmer at Llwyndu bach.
Neale1961 on the other thread has him travelling to Australia with a John
Humphreys in 1903 so it looks as if he went to Australia, came home and went to South Africa, Did he travel to Australia from the Transval or did he come to Wales between his travels is the question I need to answer.
many thanks for all your help
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https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4016603/4016609/56/transval
A letter received by John Humphreys mother to notify her of her son's death in the Transval in 1918.
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It's quite likely that Hugh may also have suffered from the effects of dust from slate quarries and the gold mines.I wonder why Hugh Griffiths left for Australia and poor John Humphreys stayed.
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Not sure if it is worth looking to see if there are any electoral records of the Penygroes area in the period you are looking for, to see if he is on any of them, but he may only have been on a visit.
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https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3298558/3298572/62/
a newspaper article on his return to Wales from South Africa.
He had been absent for 7 years Had travelled a lot in America and Australia but he came home from South Africa.
John Humphreys also came home from the same place.
Fits in nicely with the 1903 passenger list.
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https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3460578/3460586/88/
notice of his death in "Herald Gymraeg"
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8 Sep 1906 sailing out of Southampton to Cape Town, there's a Mr H Griffiths aged 31 (b.1875) and Mr E Griffiths aged 18 (b.1888), both miners sailing on the Avondale Castle (The Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co, Ltd)
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Looks like he was going back and forth
Mr H Griffiths aged 32 (b,1875), a miner, sailed on the Guelph to Southampton from Natal, arriving 8 Dec 1907
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I know you have him on the other thread on the Orontes to Freemantle in September with R Humphreys.
16 May 1903 there's a H Griffiths a miner aged 26 (so age out by 2 yrs) sailing from Southampton to the Cape
No other relevant ones
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Thank you very much.
please may I ask where do you find all this information. I used( about 5 years ago) to be able to find passenger lists on ancestry but had no luck this evening
Diolch
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Llunwen It was all on Ancest, maybe there are more records now. There are unassisted passenger lists to Western Australia - the region where Kalgoorlie is in. Look under immigration and travel section.
There are Australian National Archive sites that also give the information, free digital images for some regions, although I don't think Western Australia does. The Western Aus site has descriptions of documents that are gold mining related, so could be useful to get a general idea of things but access to original docs is in person of digital copies for a fee. I searched for Kalgoorlie (that's the correct spelling). https://archive.sro.wa.gov.au/index.php/informationobject/browse?showAdvanced=1&sq0=Kalgoorlie&topLod=0&rangeType=inclusive
There are also some free images on LDS site of ships from South Africa, though some link to FindMyPast, but there was no obvious sign of him on any I looked at from SA
There was another record 1912 of a Mr H Griffiths unaccompanied by any wife etc, but sailing from on the Ascania that left Liverpool 23 Sep 1912 via Cape Town, bound for Victoria. He was contracted to land at Melbourne. No other details given, but this is some way and further from Freemanle, so don't think it's him.
I take it he never married.
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Just for completeness here is the Death Notice for John Robert Humphreys in Benoni tvl 1918 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9T-F396-L?i=1669&cc=2520237&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPH8-V2PZ
Gives his mothers name as Margaret! But matches you Newspaper article about his death
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thank you. knowing his age will help to find him on the census.
Diolch yn fawr