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Hi can anybody help me please. I have a Marriage for my great great grandparents Mary Ann Marriott 30 yrs and 28 yrs old John watson married 1878 in sheffield. Mary Ann father being Robert marriott. I found a Robert marriott in 1818 born eyam Derbyshire his father is William Marriott. But i also found a Robert Marriott from leicester born bit later ĥowever in 1891 census and i think 1881 i have mary ann Marriott and John Watson at Tapton hill sheffield it says she was born in ashover derbyshire but her age does not match marriage details .and then i have a problem of my family know they lived there but theres no mention of my great grandmother Edith with them born 1886 in any census . Something must be wrong somwhere with my information i been given . So i have a few problems here. Any help would be good please.
Also im trying to find john watson parents it says he was 28 yr old in 1878 it says on their marriage certificate. And the census says he was born in sheffield his farher was also john watson it says on marriage certificate. But when i try to find him there are 2 or 3 john watsons born sheffield. One being born 1852 and another in 1849 the one in 1849 was married to Mary Broomhead from derbyshire being a landlady its so confusing . Any help please .and big thank you in advance if thi is possible to work out. Kind regards
Sorry for my terrible english too.
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What was Robert Marriott's occupation on the 1878 marriage cert?
but theres no mention of my great grandmother Edith with them born 1886 in any census
Where was Edith born? Ecclesall Bierlow is in Yorkshire
WATSON, EDITH mmn MARRIOTT
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 386
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Probably best break this down into sections. To start, John and Mary Ann had (at least) 3 children:
WATSON, EDITH MARRIOTT
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 386
and John Henry (1879) and Mary (1881).
in 1891 census and i think 1881 i have mary ann Marriott and John Watson at Tapton hill sheffield it says she was born in ashover derbyshire but her age does not match marriage details .and then i have a problem of my family know they lived there but theres no mention of my great grandmother Edith with them born 1886 in any census.
For others, here is the 1881 census to which OP referred:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-DH5S
And 1891:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LZL-5N2
A possible explanation for Edith not being with her family on the 1891 census is that she was actually a patient in the local hospital when the census was taken:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7LCL-33Z
Queenie :)
Edit: CaroleW also posted Edith's birth registration.
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1881 i have mary ann Marriott and John Watson at Tapton hill sheffield it says she was born in ashover derbyshire but her age does not match marriage details.
Her estimated year of birth on the 1881 census is 1847; her estimated year of birth from her marriage certificate is 1848. These are very close and people often did not know their exact ages.
Queenie :)
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The 1861 has a 14yr old Mary Ann Marriott b Derbyshire working as a servant in Sheffield
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There is a marriage in Belper 1843 for a Robert Marriott but 4 females on same page. Belper was the RD for Alfreton which is Mary's birthplace in 1881
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From Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KB6Z-9KK
There is no guarantee this is the Robert Marriott you are looking for
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A possible 1871 census for John Watson (for some reason, I cannot find it on FamilySearch):
John Watson, aged 36 (born c.1835), file smith and bird preserver, born in Ranmoor, Sheffield.
Maria Watson, aged 34 (born c.1837), born in Barlow, Derbyshire.
John Watson, aged 18 (born c.1853), file smith, born in Hallam, Yorkshire.
also Ann Watson (born c.1858) and Henry (born c.1868).
The family is living in Ecclesall Bierlow. The names and occupations match (both John and his father, John Sr., are described as file forgers on John's marriage certificate), but it is a rather common surname, so cannot be 100% it is the correct John.
Queenie :)
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Thank you all . While searching has anyone come across where john and mary ann watsons other children mary
And john henry watson he was born 1881 but i not found a marriage or a death for him or his sister mary. They on census 1891
at tapton hill address sheffield.
Talking about Robert marriott i have found one who married mary stevenson 1843 i think it was in derbyshire. She was born in nottingham .i need to start again i think .. but thank you all so much for your replys some i found myself too others are new info but its all a big help kind regards
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Please see Reply 1 - what was Robert Marriotts occupation on the 1878 marriage cert?
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Sorry i dont know what his occupation was hes only mentioned as mary ann marriott dad .its john watson and mary ann marriott who married in 1878. In sheffield .and john watsons father is mentioned as john watson too. Occupation as file forger
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Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate?
Hopefully relatives that can help in identifying families
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Hi sorry i found the marriage certificate in my folder in cupboard.
It says the marriage of john watson 28 yrs bachalorhes a file forger lived broomhall st sheff father is john watson hes file forger too.
Mary ann marriott 30 yrs spinster no occupatiin listed.she lived hermitage st sheffield father Robert marriott hes job is a Casker ? The marraige was 4th November 1878 sheffield
Witnesses. George wallace and ellen Thompson.Thank you again
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If Mary Ann was b Ashover approx 1848 - Ashover came under Chesterfield RD. This pre supposes her birth was registered as many were not
Births Jun 1848
MARRIOTT Mary Ann Chesterfield 19 545 mmn Morton
Also her twin
MARRIOTT, HENRY mmn Morton
Marriages Dec 1843 - could Rhodes be Robert??
MARRIOTT Rhodes Chesterfield 19 461
Morton Mary Chesterfield 19 461
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01s26/
IGNORE ALL ABOVE - SEE BELOW
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IF - Robert was Rhodes - a son Joseph was b 1846 mmn Morton
Here's the 1843 marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN89-TVP
And here's the 1851 entry but no g/daughter Mary
Matthew Marriott 67
Lydia dtr 23
Mary A dtr 21 shown as unmarried
Joseph Marriott 5 g/son
Piece 2147/580/8
TWINS DIED JUNE QTR 1848
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Why is it all showing a line through it is none of what you sent right? How do i find this info i just tried to subscribe to find my past for a month as pro subscription is now including census 1921 as free to view. But now they done it as you have to pay 3 months in advance or 12 months i can not afford this with energy bills so high. Is there a public libuary in derbyshire i could go to view your information.
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It’s crossed through because the info is incorrect. The Mary Ann Marriott b 1848 mmn Morton died shortly after birth. See note in capitals to ignore all