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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Madmax on Sunday 15 January 23 17:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for details of the 1790 marriage of Thomas Maxted and Elizabeth Hardy in St James Church Piccadilly. The Thomas Maxted I am interested in appears in Kent about this period with a wife Elizabeth and wondered if this marriage may be him.
Regards Maxmax
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The marriage was by licence. They were both of the parish of Saint James, Westminster, at the time of their marriage. Thomas was aged above 21 years, as was Elizabeth. They had both never been married previously.
Thomas was described as 'gentleman.' One of the bondsmen was a John 'Do', which I think means 'ditto' in this case, and so he was John Maxted.
Queenie :)
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However, there are 2 marriages in Kent that are perhaps more likely:
Thomas Maxted to Elizabeth Knott in Wickhambreux, Kent (1770)
Thomas Maxted to Elizabeth Foreman in Eltham, Kent (1779)
& Ladyhawk's suggestion below.
Where in Kent were your Thomas & Elizabeth baptising their children?
Queenie :)
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There is this marriage in Kent for a Thomas to Elizabeth
Thomas Maxted parish of Belsington, batchelor
Marriage 08 Jun 1799 St Mary the Virgin, Ebony, Kent
Spouse Elizabeth Ramsden, spinster of this parish
First witness John Maxted
Second witness William Ramsden
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
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Where in Kent were your Thomas & Elizabeth baptising their children?
Madmax
If they had children could you also give us their names and when/ where did Thomas & Elizabeth die?
Do you have Thomas & Elizabeth on 1841 census, if so could you give details please
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Thomas was married twice both times to an elizabeth, the second was a london marriage to Elizabeth Denne in 1805 by Licence. From his Will it seems neither marriage produced any children as he leaves everything to his surviving wife and his siblings and when his second wife dies in 1843 there is also no mention of children. I have ruled out the kent marriages mentioned as I am either aware of the families or they went on to have many children so are unlikely to be this Thomas Maxted.
He was of Nonington in 1805 and was buried there in 1813
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One of the bondsmen was a John 'Do', which I think means 'ditto' in this case, and so he was John Maxted.
I don't think so. John Do (or Doe) was a standard name for a ‘dummy bondsman’. He was not a real person. If he were John Maxted, as suggested, his name would normally have been given in full, together with his parish and occupation, and he should have signed the bond along with Thomas Maxted.
‘John Doe’ appears in several of the bonds that follow this one in the register. It was just a common device used to compensate for the lack of a bondsman when the bond was sworn. Sometimes the name 'Richard Roe' was used instead.
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The witnesses to the 1790 marriage were John Benefold and Samuel Price, who witnessed other marriages in the register and may have been church employees.
Elizabeth signed her name Hardey , though it is written Hardy in the body of the entry.
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Yes, I must agree with bookbox at this time the bondsman was often blatantly flouted and I guess may be the origin of the John Doe that we use today.
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One of the bondsmen was a John 'Do', which I think means 'ditto' in this case, and so he was John Maxted.
I don't think so. John Do (or Doe) was a standard name for a ‘dummy bondsman’. He was not a real person. If he were John Maxted, as suggested, his name would normally have been given in full, together with his parish and occupation, and he should have signed the bond along with Thomas Maxted.
Interesting. One learns something new every day!
Queenie :)
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Comparing the signatures on both the 1790 and 1805 marriage, they do look the same to me.
Here is the link to the 1805 marriage; Ancestry hasn't transcribed it, so it was very hard to find!:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1623/images/31280_194672-00512
1790 marriage:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61867/images/61865_324054000599_0259-00138
I would attach the two signatures as an image, but you cannot add attachments on the lookup requests board.
Queenie :)
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After comparing the signatures on the two marriage entries, the 1790 marriage licence and the Will of Thomas Maxted I have to conclude that they are so similar that they are almost certainly the same person.
Thanks for your help!