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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: AndrewG1958 on Saturday 14 January 23 19:13 GMT (UK)
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I'm Trying to do some research of on my 2nd Great-Grandfather Sergeant John Byrne (13996) 4th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, I've Found it very hard to research him as he didn't live very long and I can't seem to find a service record on him anywhere I know he was a Clerk and stationed In Tipperary for awhile but he was originally from Dublin his Parents I believe were Michael Byrne and Alice Kennedy But I'm still not certain about that. He Married Bridget Nolan in 1906 in Tipperary and Had four children Elizabeth, Mary Alice (My Great-Grandmother),Aileen and John Byrne, John Died at the age of 33 of Heart Failure at Home in Dublin. I have the War memorial page but I'm really trying to find his Military Service Record as I'm assuming he had one
If anyone can help It would be apprieciated
Thank you
Andrew Grimes
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....but I'm really trying to find his Military Service Record as I'm assuming he had one
Over 60% of WW1 service records were burnt during the WW2 blitz. Those that survived are on Ancestry or FindMyPast or other subscription sites.
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I have very few records about him in the RDF but I also have one photo of him and his regiment but I do also have another member of my family who was apart of the Merchant seaman if I’m correct but all I can find for him is his medal card so I’m assuming what you’re saying must be true sadly
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I couldn't see his Medal Card for that number ?
Presume he was Injured and Discharged on Disability 1915 and Silver War Badge
But that number not recognised.
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....but I'm really trying to find his Military Service Record as I'm assuming he had one
Over 60% of WW1 service records were burnt during the WW2 blitz. Those that survived are on Ancestry or FindMyPast or other subscription sites.
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The Storeroom at Arnside Street Blitzed 7/8 September 1940
Held Only WW1 Soldiers that Died in WW1
Or having served but were Demobbed up to 7 August 1920
Or attempted to Serve and Refused entry as Unfit
If John had stayed on the Army after August 1920 like my Granddad served from 1908 to after August 1920
When those Soldiers who had served in WW1 but stayed on till they left.
Their Military Records were sent to a New Storeroom of Army Records in Hayes that where the Storeroom was never Blitzed nor scanned by Ancestry or Findmypast.
Those in that New Storeroom were sent to Present Glasgow where they are currently held awaiting transfer over the coming years to The National Archives Kew But you have to Pay and there is a 2 year backlog
https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/the-1940-fire-at-arnside-street/
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I couldn't see his Medal Card for that number ?
Presume he was Injured and Discharged on Disability 1915 and Silver War Badge
But that number not recognised.
I don’t know if he ever had medals as I was told that the 4th battalion were only for reserves and I have no idea when he joined the RDF but he died in 1915 of heart failure at home in Dublin
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Thought so
If he never went Overseas which seems unlikely.
Then there wouldn't be a Medal Index Card
And he would never have been sent any Medals for WW1
And his Records likely Destroyed in the September 1940 Blitz
Sorry
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Haven't seen a Soldiers Effects Entry of Unclaimed Army Pay Arrrearslike this before.
His Widow Bridget received the War Gratuity due based on his Length of Service
But his £14 Pay arrears has disappeared not paid ?
This shows he was an Active Serving Soldier at the time of his Death on 7 June 1915
He should therefore have a CWGC Military Headstone on his Grave Plot in Dublin
(https://i.postimg.cc/hvf00zyW/42511-6117462-0024-00292.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/htxDZKhH/doc5698287.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Haven't seen a Soldiers Effects Entry of Unclaimed Army Pay Arrrearslike this before.
His Widow Bridget received the War Gratuity due based on his Length of Service
But his £14 Pay arrears has disappeared not paid ?
This shows he was an Active Serving Soldier at the time of his Death on 7 June 1915
He should therefore have a CWGC Military Headstone on his Grave Plot in Dublin
(https://i.postimg.cc/hvf00zyW/42511-6117462-0024-00292.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Where did you find these records They're great thank you
Is there anything else you found?
I also can't read the first one the image came out too blurry for me
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“He should therefore have a CWGC Military Headstone on his Grave Plot in Dublin”
Not everyone has a Military headstone, some families preferred not to. My grandfather a Q.M.S. Having served right through from the Boer war until 1916, has the headstone chosen by my Grandmother.
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“He should therefore have a CWGC Military Headstone on his Grave Plot in Dublin”
Not everyone has a Military headstone, some families preferred not to. My grandfather a Q.M.S. Having served right through from the Boer war until 1916, has the headstone chosen by my Grandmother.
No he's definetly got a CWGC Military Headstone as I have been shown it before
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There should be a Dependents Pension Card for the Widow Bridget unless she Remarried
But I can't find it.
If they had Children they would be due a Pension till their 16th Birthday unless Mother Remarried
Which could be why I can't find it.
The Soldiers Effects Pay arrears page is on Ancestry under Military
Then Military Catalogue over on the bottom right of the Military page
Soldiers Effects is on page 3 of 5
You need either Serial number or Name and Date of Death
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He is buried in Grangegorman Military Cemetery
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s1m/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s1n/
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There should be a Dependents Pension Card for the Widow Bridget unless she Remarried
But I can't find it.
If they had Children they would be due a Pension till their 16th Birthday unless Mother Remarried
Which could be why I can't find it.
The Soldiers Effects Pay arrears page is on Ancestry under Military
Then Military Catalogue over on the bottom right of the Military page
Soldiers Effects is on page 3 of 5
You need either Serial number or Name and Date of Death
You State Photos are Blurred
Have you Clicked on each Page and then Zoomed In?
Anytime I click On the Photo's it brings me to some website
I believe I have this record you are talking about and Yes Bridget Remarried but the Children they had were due a pension like you said there
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Find A Grave web site has him!
He has a CWGC headstone and someone had posted that the cause of death was Cardiac Syncope
Link to site:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57621250/john-byrne
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There should be a Dependents Pension Card for the Widow Bridget unless she Remarried
But I can't find it.
If they had Children they would be due a Pension till their 16th Birthday unless Mother Remarried
Which could be why I can't find it.
Pension cards attached, his widow had remarried and was named as guardian of the children.
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Find A Grave web site has him!
He has a CWGC headstone and someone had posted that the cause of death was Cardiac Syncope
Link to site:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57621250/john-byrne
His death certificate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05274/4464109.pdf
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There should be a Dependents Pension Card for the Widow Bridget unless she Remarried
But I can't find it.
If they had Children they would be due a Pension till their 16th Birthday unless Mother Remarried
Which could be why I can't find it.
Pension cards attached, his widow had remarried and was named as guardian of the children.
Does the second image say where he served and what he served as I can’t really make out the writing
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There should be a Dependents Pension Card for the Widow Bridget unless she Remarried
But I can't find it.
If they had Children they would be due a Pension till their 16th Birthday unless Mother Remarried
Which could be why I can't find it.
Pension cards attached, his widow had remarried and was named as guardian of the children.
The guardian is shown as Mary Redmond not his wife/widow. Bridget, his widow is mentioned elsewhere as Bridget Bradley. Mary Redmond nee Nolan is aunt to the children. (1911 census).