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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: lgardner2000 on Thursday 12 January 23 21:25 GMT (UK)
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Hello.
Can anyone help me please.
I am confused.
I ordered a marriage certificate from the GRO in 2007. When it arrived it didn’t give me the woman’s fathers name or profession the space was blank.
Researching yesterday I came across the same marriage certificate on findmypast website and this marriage certificate gives me the fathers name and profession.
Also tells me that the grooms father was deceased.
Can anyone tell me why they would be different please?
Many thanks
Lisa
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The one on FindMyPast, will be a parish record, I would think.
Do you have her in censuses?
Does the information fit?
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As heywood has said, I suspect that the one you found on FindMyPast was the original parish register entry. Every three months the minister had to forward a list of all the marriages which had taken place in the last quarter to the Registrar General.
The GRO certificate is a transcription of the record sent to the Registrar's Office which means that there are two opportunities for a mistranscription or omission of the details included.
Nell
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I can’t seem to find her on the census’s before her marriage.
Trying to find the street in the census where she said she was living. But can’t find it.
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Minnie Stroud?
I have a marriage certificate for a Minnie Stroud who married Henry Thomas on 21st Dec 1883 in Plymouth. No name of her father on marriage certificate.
Father on parish register is Henry Stroud, Artist
Image on Familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QW93-BQ
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Minnie Stroud?
I have a marriage certificate for a Minnie Stroud who married Henry Thomas on 21st Dec 1883 in Plymouth. No name of her father on marriage certificate.
Father on parish register is Henry Stroud, Artist
Image on Familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QW93-BQ
Looks to me as if her father's name and profession has been written in a different hand (and pen).
Maybe added later?
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If this is the person you are looking for then I think Minnie might have been illegitimate.
Birth
STROUD, MINNIE
Mother's maiden surname: PARKER
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in HONITON Volume 05B Page 38
She might be the same person as Minnie PARKER who is with her grandparents Thomas and Maria in Exmouth in 1871.
Thomas and Maria had a daughter named Anna Maria in 1840 and she is with them aged 21 in 1861.
Anna Maria married in 1866 to John Francis BUTTLE and he is one of the marriage witnesses when Minnie married. The other witness might be her half sister Bessie who was born in 1872.
You would need to get a few certs to prove this.
Debra :)
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Thank you.
What certificates would you recommend I get?
Thanks
Lisa
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The second theory is that Anna Maria was her Aunt.
There is a baptism that I can only see a transcription for...
Minnie STROUD
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1864
Baptism Place: Sidmouth, Devon, England
Religion: Anglican
Father: James STROUD
Mother: Mary Ann
Anna Maria did have a sister named Mary Ann but I cannot find the PARKER family in 1851 to see which children are still living.
Debra :)
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Found them in 1851 still in Littleham, I don't know what I was doing wrong before, and Mary Ann is still living - Anna is 'Hannah'.
Debra :)
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Birth certificate details were posted on the old thread
I recieved her birth certificate today which says:-
Born -24th Jan 1864 Sidmouth.
Father - James Stroud. Occupation - Sailer
Mother Mary Ann Stroud, formally Parker.
Signed my M A Stroud, Mother, The Beach, Sidmouth.
I believe no marriage was found for those two people, so looks like a bit of fibbing to the registrar by mum.
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Looks to me as if her father's name and profession has been written in a different hand (and pen).
Maybe added later?
Great spot, Carol!
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Thank you all for your help.
Don’t think I will know her parents names or her name really.
So yes the information I have is
Birth certificate 1864 says parents are James Stroud (sailor) and Mary Ann Parker
Marriage certificate in 1883 from GRO lists no father.
Marriage from find my past says father Henry Stroud (artist).
In 1891, 1901, 1911 census she is down as Minnie Thomas (her married name)
But in 1921 she is down as Florence Minnie Thomas.
And believe she died in 1930 listed as Minnie Thomas.
Will order her death certificate.
Thanks
Lisa
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Also just found on the GRO website that Minnie and her husbands second child Henry James. His mother’s maiden name is down as Parker. And his elder sister and two younger sisters are listed as maiden name of mother as Stroud. (One says Strout, but think may be wrong)