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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: moiramount on Monday 09 January 23 21:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi looking for any military info on Lancelot Brown. Service number12481.
Thankyou
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Hi Moiramount,
Having had a look, I cannot see a Lancelot Brown with service number 12481.
I can however find a Lancelot Brown of the Kings Own Liverpool Regiment with the service number 12461.
Could you clarify his service number please, is it 12481 or 12461.
Thanks
David
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12461, yes it's kings own Liverpool
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Hi Moiramount,
Many thanks for clarifying that, to start with there are in fact two medal cards for him
The first one shows that he was awarded the 1915 Star, The British War Medal & Victory Medal. He served in France from May 1915, possibly the 10th & was demobbed at the end of the war.
The second one for him shows that he was awarded the Military Medal & Bar, He was gazetted (in the London Gazette) for the Military Medal on 18th July 1917, when a private in the 11th Battalion of the Kings Own Liverpool Regiment.
At the time that he was awarded the Bar he was an acting Corporal, He was gazetted for this but the date is unclear, it shows L G 62, the L G is London Gazette, the 62 might mean 6th Feb? No year shown, but perhaps 1918?
Going to see if I can see a service record for him & also see if I can find out more regarding his Military Medals.
Hope this helps so far.
Kind regards
David
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Thankyou so much
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Hi Moiramount,
Have found the first, MM in the London Gazette. In the Supplement to the London Gazette dated 18th July 1917, page 7276. He is at the top of the right hand column as:
12461 Pte L Brown, L'Pool R.
It is just a list of names of those awarded the Military Medal unfortunately rather than a citation.
I shall continue to look for the second entry.
Kind regards
David
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Hi Moiramount,
From the war diary of the 11th (Service) Battalion, King's (Liverpool) Regiment (Pioneers):
"9th June 1917
All companies worked on new CT from ALBATROSS forward. WANCOURT area. No casualties. No 12390 Sgt F ANDERSON, 12872 Sgt F L NEWALL, 12876 T NUTTALL, 12461 Pte L BROWN, 21241 Pte T BANCROFT awarded Military Medal. 6 OR's reinforcements."
Haven't found the second London Gazette entry as yet.
Hope this helps though.
Kind regards
David
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Thankyou, brilliant
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"9th June 1917
All companies worked on new CT from ALBATROSS forward. WANCOURT area. No casualties. No 12390 Sgt F ANDERSON, 12872 Sgt F L NEWALL, 12876 T NUTTALL, 12461 Pte L BROWN, 21241 Pte T BANCROFT awarded Military Medal. 6 OR's reinforcements."
Just in case it's not clear to the OP, CT stands for Communication Trench, and OR's are other ranks, that is privates and non-commissioned officers.
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Hi
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1915-07-29/1915-07-31?basicsearch=osmaston%20by%20ashbourne&somesearch=osmaston%20by%20ashbourne&retrievecountrycounts=false
If you scroll down there is a piece in the papers about Lancelot, under "Interesting Letters From Osmaston under Ashbourne Soldiers."
If you register free you can get three pages free II think so anyway).
Cathy
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Thankyou very much
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sorry everyone it is 12481, the number i first quoted. He was from Osmonston Derbyshire
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Hi Moiramount,
The article in the "Derbyshire Advertiser & Journal" of 30th July 1915 as posted by cath151 above states:
"No 12461, Pte Lancelot Brown" who was one of three brothers serving in WW1. Lancelot is at this time in the 16th Battalion, King's Liverpool Regiment.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
David
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yes i think he had two numbers,
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Hi Moiramount,
The same article appears in the "Derbyshire Advertiser & Journal" of 31st July 1915 & the "Ashbourne Telegraph" of 30th July 1915.
As far as service numbers go, he appears to have had just the one, this being 12461. I have found no record or evidence suggesting a second number at all, at this time.
The two brothers by the way were:
Clifford, who was in the RFA (Royal Field Artillery).
Private B C Brown (shown as Bertram, earlier in the article), 1661, Royal Scots 15th Divisional Cycle Company
Both Lancelot & Bertram had sent letters home from the front to their parents Mr & Mrs M Brown.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
David
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Thankyou, I have managed to print it off. Thankyou for all your help
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The only other item that I can find is a mention in a list of 'sick and wounded'.
The attached snippet image (courtesy of Find My Past) shows that he was in the 11th Battalion, King's (Liverpool) Regiment and that he was suffering from German Measles, unfortunately there is no date of his illness.
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Thankyou