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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Doc1966 on Monday 09 January 23 13:02 GMT (UK)
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The will belongs to Robert Pygot gentleman of Kings Lynn and is dated 1704. I can decipher most of it, but I'm struggling with a name.
See attachment 1
It's the line that reads:
To my godchildren ?????? ?????? Cremer, and Catherine Cobb the above named 5 pounds.
I think the surname Cremer is correct but cannot make out the first names.
Also at the end of the will in the margins it has the following written. I can make out thomas cremer but am struggling with what it says. See attachment 2 for this.
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I think the first name begins with A but I can't be sure of the rest. The picture pixelates too badly when I try to increase the size. I think the second name is Clarke.
Could you post a larger version?
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It's a bit small, but I found it among PCC wills proved 1704 and was able to enlarge it.
The name looks like Harwink Clarke Cremer. Harwink is a name I haven't come across, and as this is a registered copy, possibly a clerk's guess at something he couldn't read in the original.
Even enlarged I struggled with the wording at the end, but I think it relates to the named executrix (Ann Pygott, wife of the testator) not having fully completed the administration of the estate and a fresh grant being made. The name Thomas Cremer is in there, possibly as the new administrator. I couldn't tell whether Ann had failed to act because she died, or because (possibly) she remarried and wanted her new husband to act for her - she is named as Ann Cremer al[ia]s Pygott. Hopefully someone else will be able to do a bit better.
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Thanks guys for trying.
Here's what I have:
Robert Pygot married Ann Hardcastle St Nicholas, Kings Lynn on the 19.6.1672
Robert Pygot buried 19.3.1703 at St Nicholas, King's Lynn, Norfolk.
Robert Pygot made a will which was proved 1704
In the will the witness is Thomas Cremer and he mentions a Harwink Clarke Cremer.
Ann Cremer/Pygot/Hardcastle dies 12.3.1706 and leaves a gravestone which says: Here lyeth the body of Anne wife of Thomas Cremer gent sometime widow and relict of Robert Pygot gent, she died 12.3.1706
So I'm assuming sometime between the death of Robert Pygot in Mar 1703 and Ann Pygot in Mar 1706 she marries Thomas Cremer of Kings Lynn.
Tried searching for this marriage to no avail.
I have uploaded a larger version I hope.
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Thanks for the larger copies - they help a lot. It seems like what I surmised about the wording at the end wasn't an either/or but almost a both/and:
I couldn't tell whether Ann had failed to act because she died, or because (possibly) she remarried and wanted her new husband to act for her - she is named as Ann Cremer al[ia]s Pygott.
With the help also of what you say about the family, then, Thomas Cremer was evidently known to Robert Pygott, and after Robert died, he must have married Ann. Ann had been named as executrix and residuary legatee in Robert's will.
I couldn't make out all of the extra bit (combination of poor original, Latin and contractions), but the gist of it seems to be that Ann hadn't fully administered Robert's estate when she too died, so Thomas (who would have been Ann's next of kin) was appointed administrator in her place. The date of his appointment is given at the top; it's a bit unclear but I think it's 12 June 1706.
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It's a bit small, but I found it among PCC wills proved 1704 and was able to enlarge it.
The name looks like Harwink Clarke Cremer. Harwink is a name I haven't come across, and as this is a registered copy, possibly a clerk's guess at something he couldn't read in the original.
Even enlarged I struggled with the wording at the end, but I think it relates to the named executrix (Ann Pygott, wife of the testator) not having fully completed the administration of the estate and a fresh grant being made. The name Thomas Cremer is in there, possibly as the new administrator. I couldn't tell whether Ann had failed to act because she died, or because (possibly) she remarried and wanted her new husband to act for her - she is named as Ann Cremer al[ia]s Pygott. Hopefully someone else will be able to do a bit better.
I think you are on to something here.
Thomas Cremer marries Anne Pygot sometime between 1703 and 1706, she doesn't want to deal with the will so leaves it to her new husband Thomas Cremer hence she is known as Ann Cremer alias Pygot.
She dies 12.3.1706 and Thomas Cremer of Lenna Regis and Maria Townshend of Tacolneston are married at Mulbarton 29th Oct 1706. Her parents are George Townshend and Mary Baldock.
Sounds plausible.
Thankyou for your help. Just need to find this Harwink Clarke Cremer.