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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: doch on Thursday 22 December 22 19:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I'm trying to establish the birthplace of Thomas Connor,
he is listed in the 1901 census as living in 51 Dale street Bridgeton, age 39, born in Ireland, wife Bridget, Daughters Annie and Heather?
I can't seem to find the family in later census returns,
I was hoping to find him in the 1921 census to establish a more detailed place of birth and to tie up a few loose ends in this part of my research.
I found a record of his Marriage to Bridget in 1898, and also a mention in the 1881 census when he was living with his parents in Reid street Bridgeton.
Any help and suggestions would be appreciated.
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I see from the 1881 census that Thomas had brothers, Patrick and Owen, and sisters, Mary and Annie. They were all born in Glasgow, so their birth certificates will give the date and place of their parents' marriage. That would help pinpoint an area in Ireland.
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Bridget was a second wife. Should daughter "Heather" be Martha? See 1891 entry - wife is Martha b Glasgow. Both children you mention are to his first marriage
Death of Martha Connor aged 32 mmn Broadshane 1897 Bridgeton
Marriage 1898 Thomas Connor to Bridget Gillespie
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I see from the 1881 census that Thomas had brothers, Patrick and Owen, and sisters, Mary and Annie. They were all born in Glasgow, so their birth certificates will give the date and place of their parents' marriage. That would help pinpoint an area in Ireland.
Thanks GR2,
Thomas' father Owen was married twice, first wife was Ann Hoy, I presume they married in Ireland and had Thomas before they moved to Glasgow, second wife was Elizabeth Boyd who is the mother of the rest of the children, all born in Glasgow. place and date of marriage, 1873, High Church Glasgow.
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Just to confirm previous post.
In 1881 Owen’s wife was Elizabeth age 30, to young to be the mother of Thomas, however census below notes Ann but no death record in Glasgow?
1871 - 10 Dempster St. Glasgoe
Owen Connor 30 Head
Ann Connor 30 Wife
Thomas Connor 11 Son
Patrick Connor 5 Son
Mary Connor 1 Daur (Daughter)
I have checked for a marriage for Owen on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie sadly none.
Colin
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Just to confirm previous post.
In 1881 Owen’s wife was Elizabeth age 30, to young to be the mother of Thomas, however census below notes Ann but no death record in Glasgow?
1871 - 10 Dempster St. Glasgoe
Owen Connor 30 Head
Ann Connor 30 Wife
Thomas Connor 11 Son
Patrick Connor 5 Son
Mary Connor 1 Daur (Daughter)
I have checked for a marriage for Owen on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie sadly none.
Colin
Thanks Colin,
Owens first wife was Ann Hoy,(Thomas' mother), his second wife was Elizabeth Boyd.
Bridget was a second wife. Should daughter "Heather" be Martha? See 1891 entry - wife is Martha b Glasgow. Both children you mention are to his first marriage
Death of Martha Connor aged 32 mmn Broadshane 1897 Bridgeton
Marriage 1898 Thomas Connor to Bridget Gillespie
Thanks CaroleW,
You're correct with Martha, I looked up the birth of Martha junior in 1890, I knew he was married twice from his marriage cert entry to Bridget as widower.
Thanks Colin,
Owens first wife was Ann Hoy (Thomas' mother), his second wife was Elizabeth Boyd.
Owen died in 1895 at Reid street, Bridgeton.
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Doch, have you confirmed Owen and Anna's parents from their death regs? It would give you more names to search for clues.
Monica
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From the death index, Anna's mother's maiden name not shown (it may not be recorded). Owen shows his mother as Hunter.
Monica
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From the death index, Anna's mother's maiden name not shown (it may not be recorded). Owen shows his mother as Hunter.
Monica
Owens mothers maiden name is Winters, S.P. has indexed it as Hunter, his father is listed as Thomas Connor, farm labourer, deceased.
I tried to find out if Owen had any siblings in Glasgow at the time of the 1921 Census, i found a Thomas Connor living in Bridgeton with a birthplace of County Monaghan, i did a search of Connor with mothers maiden name of winters and got a match for Thomas( Owens brother),(too many Thomas' in this family). i'm hoping to find a townland in Monaghan for the Connors but owen died before the 1921 Census and I can't locate his son since the 1901 Census.
I did a search for Ann's death cert but couldn't find a match, the nearest i could see was aged 36 in Central district.
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Thomas' father Owen was married twice, first wife was Ann Hoy, I presume they married in Ireland and had Thomas before they moved to Glasgow, second wife was Elizabeth Boyd who is the mother of the rest of the children, all born in Glasgow. place and date of marriage, 1873, High Church Glasgow.
You can see from the 1871 census and the ages of the children that Ann is the mother of Patrick and Mary. The birth certs should give a date and place of marriage.
Thomas is 11 in 1871 and 16 in 1881, how old did he say he was when he married the first time? What religion were they?
Debra :D
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The 1873 death you found, Doch (1873 - 644 / 1 / 1294 - Glasgow Central District) is very likely the correct one. The two surnames indexed for this death are CONNOR and HOEY.
From Owen's death reg, father you mention was Thomas. What was the maiden name of his mother? Have you double checked the name on Owen's marriage reg to Elizabeth. Often better the marriage than the death for accuracy!
Monica
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What religion were they?
I think RC, Debra. There is a burial entry for Owen on the RC index on SP at Dalbeth Cemetery. Added: Although can't see any marriage or baptism entries so far.
Monica
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You mentioned finding possible brother Thomas who died in 1923 in Bridgeton.
There is one other death. Possibly a sister:
Catherine CONNER
43
Mother's maiden name WINTERS
1899
644 / 1 / 982
Bridgeton
There is no second surname indexed so possibly unmarried?
Monica
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Thomas' father Owen was married twice, first wife was Ann Hoy, I presume they married in Ireland and had Thomas before they moved to Glasgow, second wife was Elizabeth Boyd who is the mother of the rest of the children, all born in Glasgow. place and date of marriage, 1873, High Church Glasgow.
You can see from the 1871 census and the ages of the children that Ann is the mother of Patrick and Mary. The birth certs should give a date and place of marriage.
Thomas is 11 in 1871 and 16 in 1881, how old did he say he was when he married the first time? What religion were they?
Debra :D
Thanks Debra,
I bought the birth cert for Patrick and it shows Owens marriage to Ann Hoy as Co Monaghan.
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The 1873 death you found, Doch (1873 - 644 / 1 / 1294 - Glasgow Central District) is very likely the correct one. The two surnames indexed for this death are CONNOR and HOEY.
From Owen's death reg, father you mention was Thomas. What was the maiden name of his mother? Have you double checked the name on Owen's marriage reg to Elizabeth. Often better the marriage than the death for accuracy!
Monica
Monica,
Owens mothers maiden name was Winters on both Marriage and death certs.
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What year was the marriage?
Debra :D
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You mentioned finding possible brother Thomas who died in 1923 in Bridgeton.
There is one other death. Possibly a sister:
Catherine CONNER
43
Mother's maiden name WINTERS
1899
644 / 1 / 982
Bridgeton
There is no second surname indexed so possibly unmarried?
Monica
That's Owens sister alright Monica, on her death cert she is named as Catherine Mcoll.
The story is starting to come together now,
My G/Grandparents, James Docherty and Margaret Gallagher were married in 1879,
Margarets parents are listed as Daniel Gallagher, Farmer, and Ellen Gallagher M.S.Connor.
Witnesses to the marriage were, Owen Connor and Bridget Mcoll,
Thanks to the 1921 Census I found out my G/Grand father was from Derry and my G/Grandmother was from Cornamucklagh Co Monaghan.
I was able to trace the Gallaghers to the 1901 Irish Census where Daniel Gallagher was still living with his son Hugh in Cornamucklagh,
I'd like to find out if the Gallaghers and the Connors are from the same or near townlands in Co Monaghan.
I'll park it here for the night as my brain is starting to scramble,
Thanks again for your time and knowledge.
Regards, John.
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Birth cert for Mary Connor gives place of marriage as 1859 Castle Blaney, Co Monaghan,
Castle Blaney is a town close to Cornamucklagh,
I had another look at Patricks birth cert, there is a word before Co Monaghan but i can't quite make it out, i might post it in the Hand Writing board later.
I think we're very close to a conclusion on this search.
John.
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What year was the marriage?
Debra :D
Hi Debra,
1859 is the date of marriage on both Patrick and Marys birth cert.
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Birth cert for Mary Connor gives place of marriage as 1859 Castle Blaney, Co Monaghan,
Castle Blaney is a town close to Cornamucklagh,
I had another look at Patricks birth cert, there is a word before Co Monaghan but i can't quite make it out, i might post it in the Hand Writing board later.
I think we're very close to a conclusion on this search.
John.
I posted the entry for the place of marriage on Patricks birth cert on the handwriting board,
I think there was a misspelling of Clontibret on the cert, Cornamuckla is a townland in the parish of Clontibret, so Daniel Gallagher and Ellen Conner were near neighbours when they married, maybe not the same townland? but definitely the same parish.
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Thanks for update, doch :) You are certainly seeing a good possible connection for them all.
Monica