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I have found a possible ancestor through a baptism of Maria Gilbert on 29th April 1816 Chichester Sussex. Father - John Gilbert, Mother - Elizabeth.
John is down as living at the Barracks and in the 14th Regiment.
Does this mean the 14th Foot Regiment stationed at Chichester Barracks?
I’ve found a John Gilbert on the Waterloo Medal roll and he’s listed as being in the the 14th Foot regiment 3rd Battalion.
Is there somewhere I could find out if the John I have found on the medal roll is the same John on the baptism certificate?
I don’t know anything else about John and Elizabeth at present.
Tia
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Yes John Gilbert would be living at Chichester Barracks.
In 1814 he was already on the strength with the 14th Regiment stationed at Weedon Northants
(on the march 25.2.1814 ).
By 25th September 1816 he has been sent to St Maria
Ciderdrinker
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Thank you so much for the info! I don’t suppose there is a way to find out his year and place of birth?
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Yes John Gilbert would be living at Chichester Barracks.
In 1814 he was already on the strength with the 14th Regiment stationed at Weedon Northants
(on the march 25.2.1814 ).
By 25th September 1816 he has been sent to St Maria
Ciderdrinker
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Sorry I'm struggling with those.You'd need his enlistment or pension and I can't find either.
But then I'm sure an Army expert would do much better and find him a minute.
Sorry
Ciderdrinker
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Hello
Sorry I'm struggling with those.You'd need his enlistment or pension and I can't find either.
But then I'm sure an Army expert would do much better and find him a minute.
Sorry
Ciderdrinker
Don’t worry, please don’t be sorry. I’m very grateful that you had a look for me. I was on ancestry last night and found the following soldier (see below). The only thing that’s off is the enlistment year! So that’s thrown that out.
Name:John Gilbert
Enlistment Age: 11
Discharge Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1808
Birth Place: Warrington, Lancaster, England
Enlistment Year: 1819
Discharge Year: 1841
Regiment: Fourteenth Regiment of Foot
Regimental Number: Guards 366/979
But then I also found a UK regimental registers of service record:
Name:John Gilbert
Birth: about 1793
Birth location: Wantage, Berks
Military enlistment date: 3/12/1813
Attestation: Galway
So I’m going to look into these.
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According to the below, the 3rd Battalion of the 14th Regiment was raised in 1813 and mainly consisted of young & inexperienced men. They fought at Waterloo, but the battalion was disbanded in 1816: https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishinfantry/14thfoot.htm
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According to the below, the 3rd Battalion of the 14th Regiment was raised in 1813 and mainly consisted of young & inexperienced men. They fought at Waterloo, but the battalion was disbanded in 1816: https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishinfantry/14thfoot.htm
Thank you for the info. That helps with my research as I know that if John Gilbert enlisted before 1813 then it would have been a different regiment.
Sorry a side line, I see you have a name of interest on your profile, Snowball from Durham. I too have Snowball’s from Durham in my maternal ancestry. Elizabeth Eleanor Snowball born 1861 Sunderland was my 3rd GG. Married Charles Norris Dawson.
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Sorry a side line, I see you have a name of interest on your profile, Snowball from Durham. I too have Snowball’s from Durham in my maternal ancestry. Elizabeth Eleanor Snowball born 1861 Sunderland was my 3rd GG. Married Charles Norris Dawson.
I think it must be a different line as mine lived mainly around Houghton le Spring, although I can trace them back to Wolsingham.
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Sorry a side line, I see you have a name of interest on your profile, Snowball from Durham. I too have Snowball’s from Durham in my maternal ancestry. Elizabeth Eleanor Snowball born 1861 Sunderland was my 3rd GG. Married Charles Norris Dawson.
I think it must be a different line as mine lived mainly around Houghton le Spring, although I can trace them back to Wolsingham.
Ah ok, yes sounds like it might be a different line. My line go back to Witton Gilbert in Durham and St Nicolas in Durham.
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But then I also found a UK regimental registers of service record:
Name:John Gilbert
Birth: about 1793
Birth location: Wantage, Berks
Military enlistment date: 3/12/1813
Attestation: Galway
He was certainly 14th Foot. Discharged 23 December 1817.
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By 25th September 1816 he has been sent to St Maria
St Maura (Santa Maura) in the Greek islands
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Did you see that his Waterloo medal sold on eBay for $4,600 ?
https://picclick.com/SCARCE-1815-BRITISH-WATERLOO-MEDAL-TO-JOHN-GILBERT-264811558215.html
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Did you see that his Waterloo medal sold on eBay for $4,600 ?
https://picclick.com/SCARCE-1815-BRITISH-WATERLOO-MEDAL-TO-JOHN-GILBERT-264811558215.html
Yes I did find that! I contacted the eBay seller and asked if they had any more photos of it that they wouldn’t mind sharing with me but they said they didn’t have them.
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But then I also found a UK regimental registers of service record:
Name:John Gilbert
Birth: about 1793
Birth location: Wantage, Berks
Military enlistment date: 3/12/1813
Attestation: Galway
He was certainly 14th Foot. Discharged 23 December 1817.
So do you think this could definitely be the soldier I am looking for?
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So do you think this could definitely be the soldier I am looking for?
It's certainly very likely. The muster rolls for February 1814 and September 1816 (online on Ancestry) list only one John Gilbert in 14th Foot: he was in 3rd Battalion initially and had transferred to 2nd Battalion by September 1816.
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Following this with interest.
The only John Gilbert baptised in Wantage, Berkshire in 1793 (+/-5 years) is this one:
John Gilbert, born 8 Feb 1791, baptised 25 Apr 1791 in Wantage, Berkshire, to Richard & Sarah Gilbert.
Queenie :)
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So do you think this could definitely be the soldier I am looking for?
It's certainly very likely. The muster rolls for February 1814 and September 1816 (online on Ancestry) list only one John Gilbert in 14th Foot: he was in 3rd Battalion initially and had transferred to 2nd Battalion by September 1816.
Ok thank you for your help :)
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Following this with interest.
The only John Gilbert baptised in Wantage, Berkshire in 1793 (+/-5 years) is this one:
John Gilbert, born 8 Feb 1791, baptised 25 Apr 1791 in Wantage, Berkshire, to Richard & Sarah Gilbert.
Queenie :)
I was just looking at the same record :) now if I can find a marriage between him and Elizabeth (mother of his daughter Maria Gilbert born 1816 Chichester)..
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The muster rolls for February 1814 and September 1816 (online on Ancestry) list only one John Gilbert in 14th Foot: he was in 3rd Battalion initially and had transferred to 2nd Battalion by September 1816.
He would actually have been transferred to the 2nd battalion prior to 17 Feb 1816 because on that date the 3rd battalion was disbanded. See page 78 Cannon, Richard (1845). Historical Record of the Fourteenth, or, the Buckinghamshire Regiment of Foot (https://archive.org/details/recordoffourteen00canniala/page/78/mode/2up). London: Parker, Furnivall, and Parker.
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The muster rolls for February 1814 and September 1816 (online on Ancestry) list only one John Gilbert in 14th Foot: he was in 3rd Battalion initially and had transferred to 2nd Battalion by September 1816.
He would actually have been transferred to the 2nd battalion prior to 17 Feb 1816 because on that date the 3rd battalion was disbanded. See page 78 Cannon, Richard (1845). Historical Record of the Fourteenth, or, the Buckinghamshire Regiment of Foot (https://archive.org/details/recordoffourteen00canniala/page/78/mode/2up). London: Parker, Furnivall, and Parker.
Thank you
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Have been looking into this again…
I’m struggling to find a marriage between John Gilbert and Elizabeth. There’s nothing in Sussex (which is where they baptised their daughter in 1816 in Chichester whilst he was stationed at the barracks there).
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Hi, I have a John Gilbert on my Waterloo Medal Roll. Born in Wantage, Berkshire on 8th Feb 1791. He enlisted in the 14th Foot on 2nd Dec 1813, aged 20. After Waterloo, Gilbert was stationed in St. Maura ( the Greek islands ) from Sept 1816 and was discharged on 23rd Dec 1817.
His Waterloo Medal was sold at 'Pace - Antiques collectables, of Indianapolis, U.S.A. in Dec 2020.
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Hi, thank you for the info. I have done a bit of research into his history as a soldier (see attached), but didn’t quite get as far as his time in Greece, so thank you.
I’m still trying to establish if this is the actual John Gilbert I am looking for. Maria Gilbert was my 5th Great Grandmother, and finding concrete evidence of her birth and parents is proving to be difficult.