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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Wexflyer on Friday 16 December 22 05:32 GMT (UK)
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So says FamilySearch. But I don't see such a baptism on the NLI microfilm, or surrounding pages
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634070#page/104/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634070#page/104/mode/1up)
Am I missing something?
Background:
The family of Moses Redmond and Catherine Crean (or Crane) lived in the townland of Ballywalterbeg (often rendered as just Ballywalter). However, there is no baptismal record of many of their children in their home parish of Ballygarrett. The "obvious" answer, given that they weren't heathens, is that the children were baptized in a more convenient adjacent parish, such as Gorey. And indeed, when I tested this theory out with James Redmond, born ca. 1865, it immediately said yes!
- James Redmond, baptized 1-May-1865 in Gorey to the above parents.
But I see no such baptism :(
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The family search entry does not say baptism.
I think it is a reference to this civil record.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03574/2317440.pdf
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There is a baptism for the son Pierce - born 1868.
And Anne 1871, and Michael 1873 and Marcello 1874.
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The family search entry does not say baptism.
I think it is a reference to this civil record.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03574/2317440.pdf
Ah, so the birth and baptism collection is not just extracts from the parish register collection (with birth and baptismal dates). My sincere apologies to FamilySearch! :D
Then left with puzzle as to why I can't find a baptism for James, who went on to be the Very Rev. James Canon Redmond, so I doubt he was unbaptized.
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I can see there are baptism records for some of the Redmond children, but not all.
So perhaps records have been lost, or some were not baptised for other reasons.
If the family had to travel for a baptism, it may have been too difficult.
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The family of Moses Redmond and Catherine Crean (or Crane) lived in the townland of Ballywalterbeg (often rendered as just Ballywalter).
Ballywalter Beg townland NE of Ballycanew.
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/ballaghkeen-north/killenagh/ardamine/ballywalter-beg/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2297844#map=13/52.6280/-6.2816
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I can see there are baptism records for some of the Redmond children, but not all.
So perhaps records have been lost, or some were not baptised for other reasons.
If the family had to travel for a baptism, it may have been too difficult.
Parish registers are extant for all except possibly/probably for James in 1865 in Ballygarrett.
Distances were nothing unusual. The mother had a Jesuit uncle, she had a convent boarding school education, her son became a Canon, and two daughters became Reverend Mothers. I don't think it would have been too difficult somehow...
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I can see there are baptism records for some of the Redmond children, but not all.
So perhaps records have been lost, or some were not baptised for other reasons.
If the family had to travel for a baptism, it may have been too difficult.
Which parish are these please? I can only see entries for the children similar to that of James - a birth entry in ‘ Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911’.
Ballygarrett records stop at 1863
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0574
Does Roots Ireland have the records?
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I can see there are baptism records for some of the Redmond children, but not all.
So perhaps records have been lost, or some were not baptised for other reasons.
If the family had to travel for a baptism, it may have been too difficult.
Which parish are these please? I can only see entries for the children similar to that of James - a birth entry in ‘ Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911’.
Ballygarrett records stop at 1863
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0574
Does Roots Ireland have the records?
Well, I guess I (we) learned that "Select births and baptisms" includes Civil Registration entries as well as baptisms, which I did not previously appreciate (only started using FamilySearch a few weeks ago).
Ballywalterbeg is in the parish of Ballygarrett.
Ballygarrett parish registers don't actually stop in 1863. It is another example of the all too frequent case where the NLI didn't film all the records. Roots Ireland have baptisms from 1865 on again. So there is a gap from 1863 to (maybe) sometime in 1865 - RI don't give precise dates.
The other obvious parish they could have used is Gorey.
At this point, I think the "body count" has increased and at this point there are only 2 of 11 baptisms outstanding, James being one, Grace being the other. James may have fallen into a lacuna in the records, but not Grace.
Thanks to Neale1961 for the Gorey baptisms (they are baptisms I assume?)
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I may not have been clear in my post.
You explained re the parish name earlier, that is why I looked there.
However, I meant that baptism records for Ballygarrett are only online to 1863 at NLI, hence my question re Roots Ireland.
I also wondered which parish Neale1961 had seen some records.
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Hi Wexflyer,
You could try the Ballyoughter and Camolin Roman Catholic Parish registers.
My ancestors were from the Ballycanew area and some of the children were baptised in Ballyoughter RC church and others in Camolin.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Summerhill
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I may not have been clear in my post.
You explained re the parish name earlier, that is why I looked there.
However, I meant that baptism records for Ballygarrett are only online to 1863 at NLI, hence my question re Roots Ireland.
I also wondered which parish Neale1961 had seen some records.
Roots Ireland has 1830-1863, and 1865-1899, with no details on the exact dates of the "gap".
I presume Neale1961 must have seen records in Gorey on FamilySearch, but that is just a guess.
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Hi Wexflyer,
You could try the Ballyoughter and Camolin Roman Catholic Parish registers.
My ancestors were from the Ballycanew area and some of the children were baptised in Ballyoughter RC church and others in Camolin.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Summerhill
Thanks for the suggestions and I agree.
However, She Who Must Be Obeyed is telling me to quit genealogy for a while and focus on Christmas ;D
I think I should have familiarized myself more with FamilySearch records before posting. They are somewhat ideosyncratic in how they describe and catalog things, which threw me off. At least that is my story, and I am sticking to it! :D
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Enjoy your Christmas ;)
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Enjoy your Christmas ;)
And many happy returns to one and all! :)
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Hi Wexflyer,
You could try the Ballyoughter and Camolin Roman Catholic Parish registers.
My ancestors were from the Ballycanew area and some of the children were baptised in Ballyoughter RC church and others in Camolin.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Summerhill
Thanks for the suggestions and I agree.
However, She Who Must Be Obeyed is telling me to quit genealogy for a while and focus on Christmas ;D
I think I should have familiarized myself more with FamilySearch records before posting. They are somewhat ideosyncratic in how they describe and catalog things, which threw me off. At least that is my story, and I am sticking to it! :D
Have you had your DNA done Wexflyer?
It seems to be a way to still do genealogy but participate in Christmas by asking for and getting a kit. Then it will cover you to do more genealogy at Christmas time next year as you follow up on 'the Christmas present you gave me last year.'
;)
Merry Christmas!
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Hi Wexflyer,
You could try the Ballyoughter and Camolin Roman Catholic Parish registers.
My ancestors were from the Ballycanew area and some of the children were baptised in Ballyoughter RC church and others in Camolin.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Summerhill
Thanks for the suggestions and I agree.
However, She Who Must Be Obeyed is telling me to quit genealogy for a while and focus on Christmas ;D
I think I should have familiarized myself more with FamilySearch records before posting. They are somewhat ideosyncratic in how they describe and catalog things, which threw me off. At least that is my story, and I am sticking to it! :D
Have you had your DNA done Wexflyer?
It seems to be a way to still do genealogy but participate in Christmas by asking for and getting a kit. Then it will cover you to do more genealogy at Christmas time next year as you follow up on 'the Christmas present you gave me last year.'
;)
Merry Christmas!
Had my parents tested some years back. Most of my progress over the last few years has come from that. Canadian and American death/marriage records of emigrant relatives can provide names of ancestors that are lacking in Ireland, or provide proof of relationships that were otherwise conjectures.