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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Craigellachie2019 on Thursday 15 December 22 11:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, I have a 3rd gr aunt Elisabeth Salmond 1818-1885 who married William Orr (b abt 1815 in Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire) in 1844in Kilbarchan, Renfrew. I lately have a lot of DNA matches with Orr in their tree, Tennant and Vallance and Orr seems to be the link. One of my gr Uncles had Órr'as his middle name. I would like to try to build out my William Orr to see if any other branches actually somehow become into my direct line but am having trouble trying to find who William's parents are. I believe he was still alive in 1901 as he is father in law to Robert Cross who married William's daughter Elizabeth Orr. They are living in Cadder in 1901. Each of the 51, 61, 71, 81 91 and 1901 census give Williams birthplace as Renfrewshire around 1815. I have searched Scotlandspeople for deaths between 1901 and 1920 and there are 4. The Cadder one looks promising in 1910 - mother's maiden name McKendrick, however I cannot find any births for a William to that mother. The other three possibilities are 1910 Corstophine, mother;s maiden name Bishop, 1903 mother's maiden name Clouston and 1902, Ayr, mother;s maiden name Morrison. None of these names appear as birth mothers in a Scotlandspeople search from 1800 - 1820 in Renfrew, nor outside the area. Has anyone got any ideas on this? Grateful for any advice. Thanks in advance. Anne (PS The family seems to have lived in Renfrew, Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire and Stirlingshire.)
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William Orr (b abt 1815 in Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire)
Don't census records show him as born c1822/23? As his first son was named Hugh it is likely to be the name of his father.
ORR, WILLIAM
Parents: HUGH ORR/JANET MCKENDRICK
FR480 (FR480)
02/08/1822
569
20 / 106
Kilmacolm
Debra :)
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William Orr (b abt 1815 in Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire)
Don't census records show him as born c1822/23? As his first son was named Hugh it is likely to be the name of his father.
ORR, WILLIAM
Parents: HUGH ORR/JANET MCKENDRICK
FR480 (FR480)
02/08/1822
569
20 / 106
Kilmacolm
Debra :)
Debra i have their first son as Thomas and Hugh after all the daughters. I dont have a subscription to ancestry at the moment so having trouble opening the records i had saved on their profiles. I think i will purchase that death cert and see if its him. Thank you Anne
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In the 1901 census, William Orr born 1822 is in Cadder Lanarkshire (age 79), with his daughter's family.
I think the death in 1910 in Cadder is likely to be correct.
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Birth from SP
ORR WILLIAM
Parents - HUGH ORR and JANET MCKENDRICK FR480 (FR480)
02/08/1822
569
20 / 106
KILMACOLM
Those parents have a large family between 1816 and 1833. They married in 1817.
By 1841, Janet is a widow.
1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1546e0f4040b9d6e586fce/peter-orr-1841-renfrewshire-kilmalcolm-1835-?locale=en
This is Janet in 1851
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a154f8cf4040b9d6e623010/janet-orr-1851-renfrewshire-kilmalcolm-1795-?locale=en
And 1861
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59046ab3e9379091b12afd5b/janet-orr-1861-renfrewshire-kilmalcolm-1795-?locale=en
And 1871
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5b91a398f4040b176c8b471b/janet-orr-1871-renfrewshire-kilmacolm-1796-?locale=en
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I cannot see a baptism or birth for a Thomas and he doesn't appear on any census with them.
William is aged 28 in 1851, 38 in 1861, 49 in 1871, 59 in 1881, 69 in 1891 and 79 in 1901 so he is very consistent with his year of birth being 1822/23.
Debra :)
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I cannot see a baptism or birth for a Thomas and he doesn't appear on any census with them.
William is aged 28 in 1851, 38 in 1861, 49 in 1871, 59 in 1881, 69 in 1891 and 79 in 1901 so he is very consistent with his year of birth being 1822/23.
Debra :)
Thank you Debra. It seems I have the wrong William Orr and Elisabeth as parents for this Thomas. Had found him in a census. I will remove him from the family I have him in, as you are right, I cannot find him baptisms either. Anne
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In the 1901 census, William Orr born 1822 is in Cadder Lanarkshire (age 79), with his daughter's family.
I think the death in 1910 in Cadder is likely to be correct.
Thank you - yes I had found him living with them then too so thought it had to be one of the few after that date.
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Hi Annie,
I'd love to connect with you about all things related to George Salmond b 1/3/1789. We are looking for the burial locations for George, Janet Cuthel and their 4 daughters Janet, Elizabeth, Mary and Margaret. Anything you have will be very helpful.
Thanks,
John
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Hello John, I won't be helpful with burial places I'm sorry. All I have is some of their death certificates with place of death, but whether they are buried in the same area I don't know. I don't currently have any death dates for Mary or Margaret, so I don't know if they married either. I wonder if George Salmond remarried as it appears Janet died within weeks of their last son's birth in 1827. Janet is listed in the mortcloth register in Cambuslang, so possibly she is buried there.
Anne