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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: ails81 on Sunday 11 December 22 16:37 GMT (UK)
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Afternoon everyone, I am back on my family tree after a very long break away and have found myself drawn back to the tragedy that struck this family.
Jane Clarke nee Maguire born c1870 who is not actually my relation but was the first wife of my 2nd great grandfather. They married in Anderston, Glasgow on 24 Jan 1889. Her parents were John Maguire and Mary Lyons (I dont have any more information on them yet).
Jane and Patrick had 4 children who all died in infancy: Mary 1889-1891, Patrick 1891-1891, Sarah Ann 1892-1893 and Jane 1894-1894.
Patrick married my 2nd great grandmother Mary Reilly in 1898 so I know sometime between 1894 and 1898 Jane has either died or they have divorced. I was wondering perhaps due to the deaths of her children was she so depressed she ended up in some sort of institution, I can't even imagine the pain she must have been going through. If that happened would Patrick have been allowed to remarry?
Regardless of that I cannot find her death certificate anywhere on Scotlands People and I presume even if she died in an institution it would still be available?
So perhaps she didnt die in Scotland. I dont have my ancestry membership at the moment (hoping for it as a xmas present!) so can't check the English records easily.
any other ideas from anyone?
Thank you so much
Aileen
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Aileen,
Patrick’s marriage certificate to Mary Reilly should record his marital status. That should tell you if Jane had died or if they were divorced. (By and large only wealthy folk got divorces in those days and so divorce seems unlikely).
If Jane had died in an institution there should be a death certificate in the normal way. Your spouse being in an institution would not allow you to re-marry. Of course it was not unknown for folk to lie about their marital status and other information on the marriage certificate.
I had a look for Jane’s death but could not see it. There are 2 Jane Clarke deaths, of about the right age, in Glasgow 1894 – 1898 but the mothers maiden names are Mason & Crooks, not Lyons.
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I dont have my ancestry membership at the moment (hoping for it as a xmas present!) so can't check the English records easily.
You don't need to swell Ancestry's coffers to see the English and Welsh BMD indexes. They are at www.freecen.org.uk where, as the name suggests, they are free of charge.
And if you do find a likely-looking candidate and you want to order a copy of the certificate, get it from the official GRO site https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ - don't use an agent or intermediary as it will just cost you more.
You could also take a look for a death in Ireland at https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ which is also free of charge.
I see from the 1891 census that both Patrick Clarke and Jane Maguire were born in Ireland, Patrick in 1867/1868 and Jane in 1869/1870, assuming their ages in the census are accurate. Also that the 1891 census records them as plain Clark, not Clarke.
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There is a family tree on a/try which includes the original image for the 29 May 1898 marriage between Patrick Clark and Mary Reilly. Both show as widowed.
Narrowing down the window for Jane McGuire's death, there was another daughter, Elizabeth Clarke, born on 3 Nov 1895 at 39 Piccadilly Street, Anderston.
However, like you, can't really see Jane's death so far :-\
Monica
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These look to be Jane's birth details:
Jane Maguire
Birth 6 Feb 1869 Ballyhaise, Cavan, Ireland
Baptism Place Ballyhaise, Cavan, Ireland
Father John Maguire
Mother Mary Lyons
Monica
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Wonder where young Elizabeth b. 1895 is. She is not showing on the family's 1901 household entry:
Patrick Clerk 34 Gen Dock Labourer b. Ireland
Mary Clerk 30 b. Ireland
Kate Clerk 8
Mary Clerk 5
Michael Clerk 2
Edwd Lunny 26 Lodger
Annie Lunny 23 Lodger
Address: 44 Hill St, Glasgow/Anderston
Kate and Mary above were step children to Patrick from Mary's first marriage to Patrick Steele?
Monica
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Thank you so much for all of that!
Yes Mary Reilly was married before she married Patrick Clarke so those children are from that marriage.
Thank you for spotting Elizabeth Clarke I had missed her so thats another child although like you I can't find her in the 1901 census and I cant find her death certificate either.
Its so frustrating not knowing what happened to Jane and now Elizabeth. Perhaps another family member took Elizabeth in if jane died soon after she was born? I dont know why I am so invested in poor Jane but her story just upsets me.
I will keep hunting!!
Thanks again
Aileen
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These look to be Jane's birth details:
Jane Maguire
Birth 6 Feb 1869 Ballyhaise, Cavan, Ireland
Baptism Place Ballyhaise, Cavan, Ireland
Father John Maguire
Mother Mary Lyons
Monica
Here's the link to the birth record-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03407/2249311.pdf
Jane born in the townland of Keeney [sic].
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/loughtee-lower/annagh/castlesaunderson/keeny/
KG
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For young Elizabeth, I did see this entry in 1901 and wondered if it could be her?:
Sarah Herbertson 60 b. Ireland (maiden name I think might be Moore).
Susan Herbertson 30
Jessie Herbertson 28
William Herbertson 26
Robert Herbertson 24
William Murray 8 Grandson
Betsy Clarke 4 Adopted b. Partick, Glasgow
Sarah Davidson 25 Boarder
Elizabeth Davidson 1 Boarder Dau
Address: 40 Hyndland St, Partick, Govan
Partick and Anderston are next door to each other. See map of Glasgow registration districts here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792691.0
Monica
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Wow Monica thank you so much, you are very good :)
That could definitely be her, will need to do some investigations to see if there is any relation to that family that I can find or why she ended up with them although that may be impossible.
Thanks again
Aileen