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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: jackie0051 on Monday 05 December 22 13:17 GMT (UK)
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Looking to chat with descendants of my Ffrench family history or DNA Ffrench connections:
Robert N Ffrench 1867-1919
Georgina M Browne Ffrench 1880-1907
Children
Robert Neol Ffrench 1904-1947
Francis Alan Ffrench 1905-1943
Doreen M C Ffrench.
Family history should never be so complicated, wish I'd listened more when I was a child!
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Francis Alan was not the son of Robert and Georgina.
Birth of Francis
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01789/1702420.pdf
They also had a daughter Doreen. Both are with their parents in 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01703/1675353.pdf
Parents of both are Alan Edward Penrose FFRENCH and Caroline Frances SHORE.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Rosscarbery/Church_Street/381062/
Birth of Robert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01807/1707923.pdf
Also Allen Godfrey in 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01923/1745177.pdf
No idea where he is in 1911 but he was still alive according to the census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Cloonfeem/Dangan__King_/780166/
Debra :)
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Here's some more information, in addition to what Debra has found, for those who might want to connect with you:
Their marriage in June 1899.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10382/5780181.pdf
Ffrench in 1901 census.
House 4 in Dangan (King) (Cloonteem, Roscommon). Georgina mistranscribed as Georgeina.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Cloonteem/Dangan__King_/1659261/
Dangan (King) townland, Co. Roscommon
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/ballintober-north/kilmore/cloonteem/dangan-king/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4865474#map=12/53.9011/-7.9768
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This might be a marriage for Doreen to Eugene DOYLE in 1930.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09050/5274711.pdf
I can't see a birth registration for her, but I can see a baptism on 26 April 1907.
Debra :)
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Thank you so much for your replies. After years of researching the family of Edward Allen Penrose French I've recently discovered that althoiugh related it's not the correct family. Francis Alan Ffrench is definitely the son of Robert and Georgina from REosscommon and I can only presume that he was staying somewhere else during the census. He left Ireland for the US approx 1930, settled and had family that I'm now in contact with.
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Could this be him?
Allen Ffrench b 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01923/1745177.pdf
Sorry - that is already posted as Allen Godfrey.
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Allen Godfrey Ffrench emigrated 1926
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXL8-GHB
His death
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WP4-S6Y
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Looking at published trees re Francis Alan/Allen, the owners have him with parents Robert and Georgina. Two trees show emigration records to Singapore but none have a birth record which shows his parents.
It looks as though Allen Godfrey and Francis Allen have been mixed up unless he emigrated later.
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Robert N Ffrench 1867-1919
Georgina M Browne Ffrench 1880-1907
Children
Robert Neol Ffrench 1904-1947
Francis Alan Ffrench 1905-1943
Doreen M C Ffrench.
Georgina Maria Ffrench (of Dargan House, near Drumsna) died on 13 January 1917 at 58 Stephens Green (Vincents Hospital), Dublin. She was the wife of a gentleman.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05224/4445942.pdf
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Thank you to everyone, It is so confusing both Francis Alan Ffrench and Francis Allen French are born similar times and both died in 1943. Both left Ireland at very similar times, Francis Allen French from Cork child of Edward Allenn Penrose French sailed to Singapore and then settled and married in New Zealand. The other, Francis Alan Ffrench from Rosscommon child of Robert N Ffrench died in the US. Only the US Francis Alan Ffrench had children. Both are related to Robert Nugent Ffrench. My DNA shows connection to both and both families making my Ancestry trees an absolute mess having spent years researching the ancestry of Francis Allen Penrose French instead of Francis Alan Ffrench. .
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Looking at Family Search records, I can’t see Francis Allen Ffrench in US.
1911 census for Robert and Georgina show 3 children born and 3 children living.
Allan Godfrey is missing from that census but the other two are there.
The death of this man, posted earlier shows his parents as Robert and Georgiana and his wife Mamie.
If you are in contact with his descendants in US - does any of that fit.
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Allen Ffrench - 1930 census New York
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4K5-B55
1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3YT-ZSK
Allen Godfrey shows n o k as his brother, Noel on emigration.
I hope you are successful in sorting this out but I think those trees have mixed up the two families when referring to the two men.
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Thank you Heywood, I am now looking at Godfrey Allen Ffrench (father Robert and mother Georgina) as it seems to fit and the sailing time is right, many young men fled at the time of the Uprisings. I'm going to email the other researchers and get their thoughts, many thanks once again.
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That’s the best thing to do. There are US records and family so should be able to trace. :)