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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: Turtle Dove on Friday 02 December 22 07:23 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
A relative of mine travelled to Canada to start a new life at the Women's Hostel, 130 Austin Street, Winnipeg in 1930. She travelled under her partner's name, as a widow, but I have found no record of a marriage after extensive searching. I don't think she would have had a passport in that name, only in her maiden name. I have attached the column on the arrivals document for Passport number, place and date of issue. It is the same for everyone on the page. Did the travellers not need passports?
I hope someone can help. Thank you.
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It is not clear how your image relates to the query.
More of the Document is required including Column Headings.
Several inked (passport?) numbers have been written over Prices.
Each of the inked numbers is different.
Is that the name of your relative near the top?
Mrs Coast?
Tony
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Hello, I have been trying to attach the form but it's too big. I've attached the column headings and my relative's details - her son was William Fliege. The print in the column to the right says £100. I hope this is useful - I will try to shrink the size of the form so I can send it all. Thank you for helping.
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Under the PASSPORT column appears to be written "Mt Cand", which presumably means Montreal Canada.
Many immigrants entered Canada via the port of Montreal.
So the written number in the next column may not be a passport number as such, but a visa or immigration register number. Expect the traveller would have had a passport issued from their home country.
Hopefully a RootsChatter from Canada will be able to help you with this post.
Tony
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Yes I think she did enter via Montreal. Maybe there was a scheme where they didn't need an actual passport, or some other ID would do. Or of course she may have married - if she had to have a passport I will keep looking for a marriage record. Thank you for your help.
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Hi,
Elizabeth was a British subject and we as Canadians prior to 1947 were also British subjects. So no passport required.
Elizabeth Fliege, age 47, housekeeper was on the ship Megantic leaving Southampton 28 June 1930
arriving Quebec City (not Montreal) 6 July 1930. At the top of the manifest it says "New Arrivals Special 10GBP Scheme Immigrants".
You can see the manifest at Library and Archives Canada, here on page 16, she is #13.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rz0/
Was she born April 10, 1883, father William Farrer. If this is correct, there is a death record
for her 15 Sept. 1933 in Winnipeg. Scroll down to the Search form, click on Deaths, then just add her last name.
https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
DB
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Hello, Thank you so much for this - I was sure there hadn't been a marriage! Elizabeth did end up at 130 Austin Street, the Canadian Women's Hostel, and it seems she never left/found work. The Depression I guess, not a good time to be arriving. That was her address when she died 3 years later. I have been trying to find her cause of death (she was young!) but the authorities in Winnipeg tell me they can't release that information without a doctor's certificate (or a couple of other much better reasons than family research) I see there was a funeral the day after she died in hospital, so I guess there was no inquest or suspicious circumstances. There is no owner for her grave plot, so possibly a pauper's grave. I think I've probably reached the end of the line on that one. When she died there was a notice published for claims against her estate (I guess she had some money?). She had a son in Harding, who had been placed in a farm when he came over with the Church Army in 1929. I guess he didn't know about her death. If anything suggests anything else to you, rather than what I am guessing, could you let me know? Thank you so much for the information you have given.
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You're welcome.
:) you know more than I do.
With the Special Immigrant Scheme, yikes, what were they thinking doing this during the depression. >:( >:(
Did you find an obituary? I had a quick look, but didn't see one.
DB
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I did :-)
'Mrs Elizabeth Fliege, widow of Max Fliege, 130 Austin Street, died at the Winnipeg General Hospital Friday in her 51st year. The funeral will be held at 4pm today from the Thomson Mortuary to Brookside Cemetery.'
And then the attached notice.
Wish I could contact them!
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Hi,
Did you look for a will for Elizabeth?
DB
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Hi,
I haven't tried that but I get the impression Canadian privacy laws wouldn't let me see it just because I'm interested. Is there a place I might find it? I do think she might be in a pauper's grave, and she was living in the hostel - her £100 must have run out :-( It would be lovely if she did leave a will. I lose both of her sons - Ernest in Canada after he passed his farming training, and William in England after 1936 - I wonder if he changed his name, as sadly it was probably not a great time to have a German name. I will keep looking!
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FIND A GRAVE
Elizabeth Fliege
BURIAL Brookside Cemetery
Winnipeg, Greater Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
PLOT 53-0376-0
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111455329/elizabeth-fliege
Died Winnipeg general Hospital. 00.45
https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/DetailView.php
Maybe the cemetery would have further information.
Sandra
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Hi,
Not sure about what the procedures were in 1930, but generally as far as I know, when they publish a notice for creditors it is prior to any assets being paid out to beneficiaries. I wouldn't think they would do that for a someone with no assets. Just because her residence remained the hostel, doesn't discount she could have very well been working. On her death record they give an occupation for her as housekeeper.
It appears you may be able to look for a will, have a read here
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Canada,_Manitoba_Probate_Records_-_FamilySearch_Historical_Records
If you want to give us more details about Ernest, dob etc. and where he was last seen, we can have
a look.
DB
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Hi dbree. There is a passenger list for Ernest Fliege - age 15- arriving 1 September 1929 - Southampton - Montreal
Going to Church Army Hostel. Winnipeg. Mother Mrs E Fliege. 13 Coombe Road. New Malden. Surrey.
Sandra
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Hi dbree. There is a passenger list for Ernest Fliege - age 15- arriving 1 September 1929 - Southampton - Montreal
Going to Church Army Hostel. Winnipeg. Mother Mrs E Fliege. 13 Coombe Road. New Malden. Surrey.
Sandra
:) Thanks mate.
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Hi,
I've had a look on the Family Search website but didn't find anything new. I guess Elizabeth must have had some assets. I admit I was surprised to see she travelled with £100. She said she was a housekeeper when she came over in 1930, and maybe she was :-) In 1921 she had been a home help, living in one room.
It would be great if you could find anything on Ernest Fliege. I have his inspection card signed off on 22 December 1932, at Harding, Manitoba. The farmer he was living with was Peter Draper, and his wife was Violet. I also have Brandon as his residence. (Is that in Harding?)
He was born 16 May 1914 in New Malden, Surrey, England.
Fingers crossed. Thank you!
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Since the newspaper record states "Administrator of Estate", and not executor of the probate, I do not think there was a will.
Harding appears to be a farming area north-west of Brandon; Brandon would be considered the nearest large town - in 1931 there were 17 thousand people living there (according to Wikipedia at least), and Harding was considered part of the district of Brandon (e.g. 1926 census for Peter and Violet).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPLJ-15FZ
https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/object/uofm%3A2248558#page/158/mode/2up
- there is some information on the Drapers here (including on the next page a picture of Pete and Violet), but no mention of Ernest.
Possibly he moved away looking for work, changed his name, etc.
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Obituary for Peter Draper (no mention of Ernest)
Publication
20 Apr 1965 Brandon, Manitoba
Sandra
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This is great to see. Thank you for posting it. Ernest completed his training in 1932 so may have left the farm - but it's tantalising to wonder if he became E G Gerrard and married daughter Bernice (who I didn't know about). I wouldn't be surprised if he did change his surname, as I have drawn such a blank looking for Fliege. I will look into this.
I've been surprised to see how speedily Ernest's mother was buried. She died at 12.45am in the General Hospital, Winnipeg; the notice was in the paper that same morning, and the funeral was in the afternoon, at 4pm. I wonder if that if usual for Canada in 1933? The grave doesn't have an owner listed but there are records missing.
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I've just looked at the information on the Drapers from Jorose - so interesting. Ernest must have had a good time living with them. And now I know where Bernice and Earl fit in. Thank you.
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Hi there,
I am Ernest's granddaughter (one of three). I stumbled on this post while looking for information about my Grandpa and his brother. He did change his last name - to Hudson. He lived in Victoria, BC and passed away in 2004. I'd be interested in connecting with those who have memories of him!