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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: cronecat on Friday 02 December 22 03:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi friends!
I'm just wondering if anyone else is researching into the Toehills (always multiple spellings, see title ::)) who were living around the Gorbals area between the late 1800s and early 1900s.
I have a decent bit of info myself but obviously would love to connect with anyone researching/related to the family.
The parents were Joseph and Bridget Toehill (formerly Shields - widowed, and her birth name was Wilson) - they married each other on the 8th June 1872. They were both from NI, around the Magherafelt and Desertmartin areas.
They had 6 kids - Joseph, George, Mary-Ann, Elizabeth, Theresa (my biological great-gran) and Louisa. In November 1909, Theresa was living at 113 Hospital Street (according to my grandfather's birth record) and in the 1911 census, she was still living there with her parents and sister, Louisa.
Theresa got married in 1914 to a Francis Meechan, they were both living at 103 Main Street, Bridgeton. Theresa died in 1953 where it seems like she had been living at 16 Sandyfaulds Street.
Basically, Theresa is my grandfathers birth mum. Only she was on his birth record, no father present and he was marked illegitimate.
I've just sent off my DNA so I'm happy to update if I find anything else through that but in the mean time I'd love to connect with anyone related to the family!
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Have you checked the Surname Interests Board - Scroll to bottom of page & link is under TOOLS
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Guessing this is your ancestry tree here www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/181785160/person/222361126189/facts
Have you considered the possibility that your grandfather may have been called after his reputed father?
From your tree and the image of his birth reg in 1909, he was called Andrew McMinigle Toehill.
McMinigle is not that common (even with variants). There is this entry for example in 1911:
Andrew MCMUNIGALL, aged 22
644/7 12/ 6
Possilpark, Lanark
Maybe this entry from 1901?
Hugh McMinigal 49 carter b. Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina McMinigal 42 b. Glasgow
Nellie McMinigal 17 chemical worker b. Glasgow
Andrew McMinigal 13 b. Glasgow
Address: 506 Dobbie's Loan, Glasgow/Milton
Just thought to mention as a possibility :)
Monica
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;D See you had the same idea www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/178942014/person/242321611655/facts
Have any of the other tree owners for the other siblings to this Andrew done a DNA test to let you verify this possible connection?
Monica
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Have any of the other tree owners for the other siblings to this Andrew done a DNA test to let you verify this possible connection?
Monica
Monica,
Others will not show as DNA matches until the OP has got results back.
The only matches for now will be names in trees which we all know may/may not be correct, depending on how thorough they've been researched but will hopefully turn out to be promising.
Annie
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Guessing this is your ancestry tree here www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/181785160/person/222361126189/facts
Have you considered the possibility that your grandfather may have been called after his reputed father?
From your tree and the image of his birth reg in 1909, he was called Andrew McMinigle Toehill.
McMinigle is not that common (even with variants). There is this entry for example in 1911:
Andrew MCMUNIGALL, aged 22
644/7 12/ 6
Possilpark, Lanark
Maybe this entry from 1901?
Hugh McMinigal 49 carter b. Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina McMinigal 42 b. Glasgow
Nellie McMinigal 17 chemical worker b. Glasgow
Andrew McMinigal 13 b. Glasgow
Address: 506 Dobbie's Loan, Glasgow/Milton
Just thought to mention as a possibility :)
Monica
Hi Monica!
Yes that's my tree. Andrew McMinigal is actually the adoptive parent of Andrew (McMinigal) Toehill along with his wife Catherine (Kate) McCleary.
I've definitely considered that Andrew or one of his brothers were the biological father because of the surname being on the birth record.
My DNA hasn't come back yet so can't see any matches but fingers crossed and will def update my findings! :)
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In the index of my map-book of Glasgow, there is Todhills, G75, East Kilbride (off Todhills North). And also Todhills South, G75, East Kilbride.
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In the index of my map-book of Glasgow, there is Todhills, G75, East Kilbride (off Todhills North). And also Todhills South, G75, East Kilbride.
Tod is the Scottish word for fox, so there are lots of places with "tod", Todhole is a common one but there are many others.
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;D See you had the same idea www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/178942014/person/242321611655/facts
Have any of the other tree owners for the other siblings to this Andrew done a DNA test to let you verify this possible connection?
Monica
So, just an update on this. I've had no connections via his adoptive family so looks like they really are his adoptive family.
I've actually managed to narrow the possible father down to two brothers (I think - very early days!) with the surname McLachlan - sons of Isabella Findlay and William McLachlan.
I also discovered that one of my biological great-grandmother's sisters had two illegitimate children in 1909 and 1910, and one had the name of the father as Joseph McLinn. I couldn't find a record of him anywhere and someone suggested if McLinn was actually short for McLaughlin (or I guess, McLachlan) and Joseph is actually one of the McLachlan brothers I'm looking into. The plot thickens.
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Please keep us updated, esp for those who have tried to help you.
I find this very interesting :)
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In the index of my map-book of Glasgow, there is Todhills, G75, East Kilbride (off Todhills North). And also Todhills South, G75, East Kilbride.
Tod is the Scottish word for fox, so there are lots of places with "tod", Todhole is a common one but there are many others.
Another Todhills https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO4239
And two in the north of England
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NY3663
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NZ2133
None of the variants of the surname is listed in G F Black's The Surnames of Scotland, and you yourself have said that the family you are interested in was from Ireland. Black doesn't list Todhills either, or any possible variant with 'd' in it.
I think it's reasonable to suppose that it has nothing to do with any place called Todhills.
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Guessing this is your ancestry tree here www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/181785160/person/222361126189/facts
Have you considered the possibility that your grandfather may have been called after his reputed father?
From your tree and the image of his birth reg in 1909, he was called Andrew McMinigle Toehill.
McMinigle is not that common (even with variants). There is this entry for example in 1911:
Andrew MCMUNIGALL, aged 22
644/7 12/ 6
Possilpark, Lanark
Maybe this entry from 1901?
Hugh McMinigal 49 carter b. Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina McMinigal 42 b. Glasgow
Nellie McMinigal 17 chemical worker b. Glasgow
Andrew McMinigal 13 b. Glasgow
Address: 506 Dobbie's Loan, Glasgow/Milton
Just thought to mention as a possibility :)
Monica
Hi Monica!
Yes that's my tree. Andrew McMinigal is actually the adoptive parent of Andrew (McMinigal) Toehill along with his wife Catherine (Kate) McCleary.
I've definitely considered that Andrew or one of his brothers were the biological father because of the surname being on the birth record.
My DNA hasn't come back yet so can't see any matches but fingers crossed and will def update my findings! :)
Quoting myself here because I think I found out why my grandad was named after his adoptive father.
So, one of the first records, other than birth record, that I found for my grandad was his baptism record. The address was 25 Muse Lane. At the time I noticed there was another record on the same page as my grandad's also with the address 25 Muse Lane but just kind of shrugged it off.
A few months ago, I went poking around the birth and death records of my grandad's biological cousin. The only reason I did this was because she was born and died in the same year as my grandad. Anyways, this cousin was the daughter of my grandad's biological uncle (birth mum's brother) and the address on her birth record was 25 Muse Lane, same as the address on my grandad's baptism record.
So as I was trying to connect the dots, I went back to that baptism record, looked at the other record with the address 25 Muse Lane and saw the mother's maiden name as "McMinigle" - basically this record was my grandad's adoptive father's niece. No idea how I didn't notice this before. ???
My grandad's biological uncle and the sister of his adoptive dad both lived at 25 Muse Lane at the same time. And I guess that's where his adoptive parents also lived. His adoptive parents were neighbours with his birth mum's brother. Filling in the blanks, I guess there was an agreement before the birth that they would take him which is why he was named after his adoptive father.
The answer was literally staring me in the face.
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Hi cronecat
Thanks for the update to your thread :)
Well done for persevering!
I think answers are often staring at us in the face, we just need to go round the houses before we get there ;)
Monica
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Excellent thank you for the update :)