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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Kelger123 on Thursday 01 December 22 17:18 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Can anyone decipher the occupation and place of birth (Cor Green?) in the attached? Taken from the 1871 Census of Pattinson Town, Durham.
Thanks
Gerry
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Sorry I cannot see the attachment so I will try to attach it here. No luck, it will not allow me to upload the attachment even though I renamed it. Can you at least try to decipher where the place of birth might be from the info provided?
Gerry
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Coxgreen/ Cox Green. Was on the south side of the River Wear. Pattinson Town now part of Washington was directly opposite on the north bank. Large chemical works dominated the north side .
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You might find this of interest - 'side by side' map of Pattinsontown and Cox Green then and now
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15.8&lat=54.89399&lon=-1.49513&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
Can you give the census page reference so we can take a look at the occupation?
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Those of Cor Green on the 1871 census on Ancestry are on the 1861 census on FindMyPast
Crown Road, Southwick, Sunderland, Durham
Richard Harker Head Married Male 35 1826 Shipwright West Herrington, Durham, England
Jane Harker Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Coxgreen, Durham, England
3 children
Quarry Lane, Ford, Sunderland, Durham
William Kirtley Head Married Male 31 1830 Joiner South Hylton, Durham, England
Mary J Kirtley Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Coxgreen, Durham, England
3 children
David
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I'll have a guess at William Kirtley given his address at Ford. Just a guess though.
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Possible?
JANE Hudson bapt 12 Jan 1832, All Saints, Penshaw
Birth 5 Aug 1829
Parents THOMAS/JANE, Mother nee SPARROW
Father a Keelman
Abode Coxgreen*****
(FreeREG)
Trish :)
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Can we still ask where people are really from?
Zaph, tongue, cheek.
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Can we still ask where people are really from?
Zaph, tongue, cheek.
;D
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Can we still ask where people are really from?
Zaph, tongue, cheek.
;D
It would be good if you responded to replies 2,3,4,5 and 6 which actually relate to your original enquiry!
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I didn't make the original enquiry.
Mrs Zaph
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I didn't make the original enquiry.
Mrs Zaph
I had quoted the OP’s comment (smiley) not yours :)
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For what it's worth~
I have just searched through all of the 121 households in Pattinson Town, Burmston, Chester le Street, starting at RG10/4993.48/9
All of the ones that I have found that show as being born at Cox Green, Durham are :
John Barrett, aged 10, -do- *scholar*, b. Durham Cox Green
Mary Dickinson, 14, scholar,b. Durham Cox Green
Ann O'Brien, 8, scholar, b. Durham Cox Green
Jane Blacklock, 15. -, b. Durham Cox Green
I might have missed some but don't think so!!
Gadget
(It's cold and dreich north of the Tyne!)
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Cox Green
https://www.genuki.org.uk/gaz/DUR/CoxGreen
add ~
and Pattinson Town
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/Washington
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I am sorry if you thought I would reply immediately JenB, besides having other pressing matters to attend to, I have found that if you let things run a while new evidence of the family will crop up. The family in question concerns Margaret Corrigan (Carrigan) who married Michael O'Brien in Houghton Le Spring, Durham, England, on September 15, 1851. They had 6 children that I know of, Bridget 1853, Margaret 1854, Michael 1857, Mary 1860, Ann 1863, and Patrick 1866. I was never in Durham never mind Cox Green, so had no idea where I was searching or where worker migration may have drifted. Thank you all for your contributions, I genuinely mean that. Obviously in hindsight, it might have eased the workload if I had included the name of the family, but I was really interested in the name of the location and the job titles which were difficult to read.
Perhaps someone could look at the 1871 Census of Pattinson Town, Durham and see if they can decipher the job titles.
Thanks,
Gerry
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Is this her:
Margaret O'Brien , 50, Wife , b. Ireland
Also, daughter Margaret:
Margaret O'Brien, 18, Magnesia dresser, b. Durham CoxGreen
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Full info
PATTINSON TOWN, RG10/4993/53/20
Michael O'Brien 50, Labourer, b. Ireland,
Margaret, 45, wife, b Ireland
Bridget, 15, b. Magnesia Dresser, b. CoxGreen
Margaret, 16, -do-, b. -do-
Michael,14, Assistant Riveter, b. -do-
Mary, 11, Scholar, b Pattinson Town
Ann, 8, -do-, b. CoxGreen
Patrick, 5, -do-, b. Washington
(I hope I've got this correct - some interruptions)
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Whellan, F & Co. History, Topography and Directory of the County Palatine of Durham 2nd Edition 1894, Ballantyne, Hanson & Co 1894 p 1168 [under Washington Parish]
Pattinson Town, a small village near the Washington station, is in this township [referring to Barmston] and derives its name from Hugh Lee Pattinson, Esq., the founder of the large chemical works close by.
And from an obituary of Hugh Lee Pattinson F.R.S. from the Carlisle Journal - Tuesday 16 November 1858 (quoting the Gateshead Observer)
...in or about the year 1834, in partnership with Mr. John Lee (a relative), and Mr. George Burnett, both of whom he survived, he commenced the Felling Chemical Works, which now cover a larger area than the Crystal Palace, and employ a thousand workmen. Ten years later – about 1843 – the deceased commenced also the works at Washington, in which are carried on, amongst other manufactures, that of magnesia, by a process discovered by himself, and patented – the result being a much purer and cheaper article, and one which has driven almost every competitor out of the field. In the neighbourhood of the Washington Works a populous and growing community now exists, which will make a respectable figure in the census of 1861, under the head of "Pattinson town."
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Thanks for that information, Alan. I did wonder what it was* as I typed it bur it was a bit late so didn't look it up.
Gadget
* the ;Dresser' part
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I would imagine that most of us older ones will remember Milk of Magnesia in the blue bottles!
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I remember it in the medicine cupboard ;D
Especially for Wiggy ~
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Me too ;D
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Thank you Alan, very informative. Yes we had Milk of Magnesia in the bathroom when I was growing up in Dublin half a century ago. Gadget you hit on the right family, although I have no idea how a young farm girl from Westmeath in the center of Ireland ended up on the Northeast coast of England. She is from my 2xgreatgrandfather's family. It must have been an arduous journey, but she must have felt it was worth it.
Thank you all for your hard work, it is very much appreciated.
Gerry
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Just a few pieces on the Irish in Co, Durham and Northumberland, Gerry.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/history/how-irish-helped-build-north-8326837
https://co-curate.ncl.ac.uk/irish-migration-to-north-east-england/
https://consettmagazine.com/2015/11/07/our-irish-immigrant-roots-consett-history-21687/
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4320084.the-celtic-roots-that-helped-shape-durham/
Gadget
PS - there is also an MA thesis by Roger Cooter, titled 'THE IRISH IN COUNTY DURHAM AND NEWCASTLE c.1840-1880', July 1972
http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/1907/
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Very informative Gadget, it always amazes me how much you learn, not only about your own family, but the general movement of people in a bygone era when you delve into genealogy. Thank you very much. By the way, the last article "forgot" to mention Mick Martin who married my neighbor when I was a kid. ;D
Gerry
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There are some excellent photographs of Pattinson Town on raggyspelk.co.uk. A history of Washington, Co.Durham site.
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Very informative Gadget, it always amazes me how much you learn, not only about your own family, but the general movement of people in a bygone era when you delve into genealogy. Thank you very much. By the way, the last article "forgot" to mention Mick Martin who married my neighbor when I was a kid. ;D
Gerry
Some of my ancestors moved from North Wales to the Durham coalfields in the 1840s. I thought that I was the first of the family to live in Co Durham (in the 1960s) but then I discovered great grandfather's diary which mentioned them. I traced them and found that they had lived in most of the Durham mining communities. Later, I found other lines living up here!