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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: LMChapman on Monday 21 November 22 17:28 GMT (UK)
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Thomas Healy, age 27, married Sarah Lilly in Drogheda, Louth on October 3rd 1901. They had seven children - William (b1902) Mary (b1903) Jane (b1905 d1906) Thomas (b1906) George (b1909) Patrick (b1912) and John (b1915).
On the 1911 census they are at 9 Beymore Road, Drogheda - Thomas Senior is 37, and it states he was born in County Louth.
Sarah died on November 19th 1918 of pneumonia. Thomas Sr died on March 10th 1951 (confirmed by newspaper obituary).
I am really struggling to figure out his birth date and his mother's name. I have looked at the 1901 census and searched for Thomas Healys born c1874 but I'm not finding anything that jumps out as obvious.
Appreciate any help.
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Marriage gives his father as William Healy, labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10327/5759576.pdf
Possibly Thomas in 1901?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Westgate__Drogheda_No__3_/Judy_s_Alley/1569336/
Mary Healy, daughter of William (labourer) married John Gregory-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10398/5786282.pdf
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I am also unable to find an obvious civil registration for Thomas, but several Ancestry trees - which should always be taken with a grain of salt - suggest that he was the son of William & Anne Healy.
They suggest that Thomas' father was the William Healy who was living with his daughter, Julia - who married John Kelly - in Platin Road, Westgate, Drogheda in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001054139/
This William was living with his daughter Julia and his sons John and William in Pitcher Hill, St. Laurence Gate in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002918279/
Perhaps worth exploring this theory.
Queenie :)
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Marriage of Julia Healy & John Kelly-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10478/5816532.pdf
A Julia Healy born 1869, father William (capenter) & mother Anne Farrelly?-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03397/2246157.pdf
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Thomas Healy, age 27, married Sarah Lilly in Drogheda, Louth on October 3rd 1901. They had seven children - William (b1902) Mary (b1903) Jane (b1905 d1906) Thomas (b1906) George (b1909) Patrick (b1912) and John (b1915).
On the 1911 census they are at 9 Beymore Road, Drogheda - Thomas Senior is 37, and it states he was born in County Louth.
Sarah died on November 19th 1918 of pneumonia. Thomas Sr died on March 10th 1951 (confirmed by newspaper obituary).
I am really struggling to figure out his birth date and his mother's name. I have looked at the 1901 census and searched for Thomas Healys born c1874 but I'm not finding anything that jumps out as obvious.
Appreciate any help.
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The enlistment papers state he is aged 23 years and 10 months in March 1900 which gives him a birth around May 1876.
The couple already mentioned, William HEALEY and Ann FARRELLY had a daughter Bridget in July 1876, so a birth for Thomas to that couple would not be possible.
Even taking it back to 1874 as the age at marriage suggests, there is really no room for him. Before Bridget there was Elizabeth in 1874 and Ann in 1873.
Debra :)
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I am also unable to find an obvious civil registration for Thomas, but several Ancestry trees - which should always be taken with a grain of salt - suggest that he was the son of William & Anne Healy.
They suggest that Thomas' father was the William Healy who was living with his daughter, Julia - who married John Kelly - in Platin Road, Westgate, Drogheda in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001054139/
This William was living with his daughter Julia and his sons John and William in Pitcher Hill, St. Laurence Gate in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002918279/
Perhaps worth exploring this theory.
Queenie :)
If the above is correct re the Son John I found a death cert for a William Healy 13 Dec 1915 age 76 died at Hincheys Lane, Drogheda (i.e Marian Park) Son John was present.
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I am also unable to find an obvious civil registration for Thomas, but several Ancestry trees - which should always be taken with a grain of salt - suggest that he was the son of William & Anne Healy.
They suggest that Thomas' father was the William Healy who was living with his daughter, Julia - who married John Kelly - in Platin Road, Westgate, Drogheda in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001054139/
This William was living with his daughter Julia and his sons John and William in Pitcher Hill, St. Laurence Gate in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002918279/
Perhaps worth exploring this theory.
Queenie :)
If the above is correct re the Son John I found a death cert for a William Healy 13 Dec 1915 age 76 died at Hincheys Lane, Drogheda (i.e Marian Park) Son John was present.
I found death registration for Ann Healy died 11 Sept 1893 Cancer of the stomach (7 years) dead on Johns Street and Ellen Wall from Johns Gate was with her, Johns Gate is just down the road from Hinchey's lane (Marian Park)
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I think I might have figured this out after a lot of scrolling and head scratching.
The census records already posted suggest that these are the siblings who are the children of William - ages are quite fluid in all the available records.
John
born 1864/1869
Patrick
born 1871
Julia
born 1871/1872
Thomas
born 1871/1874/1876
Mary
born 1878
William
born 1882/1883
Starting with Thomas because he is the subject of the enquiry, I think that this is his registered birth and baptism.
Thomas
Baptised 23 Aug 1874
Son of William HEALOW and Anne SMYTHE
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/35/mode/1up
Born 5 Sep 1874
Son of William HEALOW and Anne SMITH
of Randalstown, Kilbarry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03139/2151148.pdf
I know that the dates do not match but I have seen many Irish births like this and maybe it was a case of not registering within the required timeframe. Perhaps the correct birthdate was 5 August.
Kilbarry/Kilberry, Meath matches Thomas' stated place of birth when he enlisted.
Margaret
Also baptised and registered at the same place was Margaret in 1871, parents William HEALY/HEALOW and Anne SMYTH/SMITH. Baptised the same day she was born so perhaps she wasn't expected to live.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/31/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1872/2196075b.pdf
Julia
Julia was also baptised at Oristown on 17 Jan 1869, parents William HILO and Anne SMYTHE. The birth was registered as 'Judith' (which is a name interchangeable with Julia), parents William HEALOW and Anne SMITH. This time they are at Clynch, Kilbarry. Date of birth is slightly at odds again and she later thought she was born in 1872.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/28/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03411/2250995.pdf
Patrick
Birth registered at Moynalty, Kells in 1866, parents William HAYLOW and Anne SMITH of Newrath which is a townland in the parish of Kilbeg.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03544/2304516.pdf
I think that this is the baptism of that child on 7 Jan 1866 at Kilbeg with mother's surname incorrectly recorded as REILLY. Father William HAYLO.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635216#page/63/mode/1up
John
Also baptised at Kells on 10 May 1863, parents William HELOE and Anne SMYTH
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635212#page/160/mode/1up
Mary
Born after Thomas around 1878. A bit out of the area of the other children, a birth at Stamullen, Drogheda on 28 Jun 1877, parents William HALLOW and Anne SMITH of Snowtown.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02999/2099150.pdf
Baptism at Ardcath on 29 June to William and Anne HALO.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635052#page/126/mode/1up
William
The youngest child William, born and baptised at Collon north of Drogheda in 1880. Parents William HEALY and Anne SMITH. Julia HEALY was one of the sponsors, perhaps his sister.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632531#page/68/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02862/2048839.pdf
Having a bit of a Google, the surname may have progressed from the original surname HEALAUGH.
Debra :)
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The eldest children that I have found, John and Patrick, were baptised at Kells, so there is this marriage at Kells in 1860.
8 July 1860
William HAELAE and Anne SMITH.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635210#page/109/mode/1up
Debra :)
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Thank you very much all - lots of useful info. Very interested in the military record, that's great!
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The eldest children that I have found, John and Patrick, were baptised at Kells, so there is this marriage at Kells in 1860.
8 July 1860
William HAELAE and Anne SMITH.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635210#page/109/mode/1up
Debra :)
Thanks for the detective work, I will have a good look at the records you have found.
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@SearchingforGormans Can I ask where you found this militia record?
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I think I might have figured this out after a lot of scrolling and head scratching.
The census records already posted suggest that these are the siblings who are the children of William - ages are quite fluid in all the available records.
John
born 1864/1869
Patrick
born 1871
Julia
born 1871/1872
Thomas
born 1871/1874/1876
Mary
born 1878
William
born 1882/1883
Starting with Thomas because he is the subject of the enquiry, I think that this is his registered birth and baptism.
Thomas
Baptised 23 Aug 1874
Son of William HEALOW and Anne SMYTHE
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/35/mode/1up
Born 5 Sep 1874
Son of William HEALOW and Anne SMITH
of Randalstown, Kilbarry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03139/2151148.pdf
I know that the dates do not match but I have seen many Irish births like this and maybe it was a case of not registering within the required timeframe. Perhaps the correct birthdate was 5 August.
Kilbarry/Kilberry, Meath matches Thomas' stated place of birth when he enlisted.
Margaret
Also baptised and registered at the same place was Margaret in 1871, parents William HEALY/HEALOW and Anne SMYTH/SMITH. Baptised the same day she was born so perhaps she wasn't expected to live.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/31/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1872/2196075b.pdf
Julia
Julia was also baptised at Oristown on 17 Jan 1869, parents William HILO and Anne SMYTHE. The birth was registered as 'Judith' (which is a name interchangeable with Julia), parents William HEALOW and Anne SMITH. This time they are at Clynch, Kilbarry. Date of birth is slightly at odds again and she later thought she was born in 1872.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635215#page/28/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03411/2250995.pdf
Patrick
Birth registered at Moynalty, Kells in 1866, parents William HAYLOW and Anne SMITH of Newrath which is a townland in the parish of Kilbeg.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03544/2304516.pdf
I think that this is the baptism of that child on 7 Jan 1866 at Kilbeg with mother's surname incorrectly recorded as REILLY. Father William HAYLO.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635216#page/63/mode/1up
John
Also baptised at Kells on 10 May 1863, parents William HELOE and Anne SMYTH
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635212#page/160/mode/1up
Mary
Born after Thomas around 1878. A bit out of the area of the other children, a birth at Stamullen, Drogheda on 28 Jun 1877, parents William HALLOW and Anne SMITH of Snowtown.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02999/2099150.pdf
Baptism at Ardcath on 29 June to William and Anne HALO.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635052#page/126/mode/1up
William
The youngest child William, born and baptised at Collon north of Drogheda in 1880. Parents William HEALY and Anne SMITH. Julia HEALY was one of the sponsors, perhaps his sister.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632531#page/68/mode/1up
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02862/2048839.pdf
Having a bit of a Google, the surname may have progressed from the original surname HEALAUGH.
Debra :)
Hi there, I've had a look at these records - it looks to me as if 'Healow' might be a transcription error. Would the civil registers be copied from the church records? If so, certainly in the case of Thomas, I wonder if the slightly odd 'y' in Healy was interpreted by the clerk to be a 'w'??
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Hello,
I'm brand new to rootschat and just came across this topic. I know it's 15 months old and you've probably moved on from it.
Thomas Healy was my grandfather and I never knew until now that he was in the army.
I had found the Healow/Healy connection but was never able to verify it. Thomas's date and place of birth on the army papers seem to confirm it.
If you're still searching on this topic I may be able to help.