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Title: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 20 November 22 12:26 GMT (UK)
Hi, I’m trying to work out which of 4 sisters this could be. Elizabeth Symons born 1841, Ann Symons born 1844, Eliza 1847 or Sarah 1849. All born in Fremington, Devon.

I think the photo is 1860s but not certain.

I wondered if anyone could tell me anything about the clothes, could it be her having turned 16 or 18 so the family get a professional photo? Or even a bridesmaid photo? Maybe to send to a prospective husband? As you can tell I have no knowledge of these things so would love to know.

I’ve looked up the photographer and he covered a period in Ilfracombe from c1860-1880.

Thanks for any help in advance.
Personally I think it’s Ann or Sarah as they are the only two still at home in the 1871 census, Ann marries in 1879 and Sarah in 1881.

Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 November 22 15:37 GMT (UK)
Hi

It looks very late 1860 to* early 1870s to me. The fur drapes, etc. were popular in photos of that time. Her hair would be put up around  16-ish.

Unfortunately, I can't see enough of her left had to see if she has a ring,

Gadget


* looking at more pics , I've decided on early 1870s.
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 20 November 22 15:38 GMT (UK)
See this photo, top  right:

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/history/date/a1871.htm
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 21 November 22 09:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gadget, so if it’s early 1870s then I guess Sarah is most likely as she would£ be the youngest then at 21.
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 November 22 10:58 GMT (UK)
Do you have any other photos of them?

Also, the marriage dates of Elizabeth and Eliza?
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 21 November 22 11:09 GMT (UK)
It’s been sent to me by a distant cousin in the USA, loads of other photos but none we think are of the four daughters, so I don’t have any others, can’t find definite marriages for Elizabeth or Eliza but Ann marries in 1878 or 79 and Sarah in 1881, too many Elizabeth marriages to be able to confirm one sadly
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: hepburn on Monday 21 November 22 13:50 GMT (UK)
Does she have a glove on her left hand?  The Maltese cross pendant,does that mean anything?
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 November 22 15:09 GMT (UK)
When I enlarged it, it didn't look as if she was wearing  gloves.

I think she looks very early 20s. The fussy neckline and cuffs are a feature of  early 1870s. Her head wear is also similar to some that I've seen dated to this period.

I've checked for Eliza and Elizabeth in censuses post 1851, when the family were all together, but can't see the older girls. Sarah and Ann's marriage certs don't seem to have them as witnesses. Can't see deaths for older girls either.

Given her d of b, I think it must be Sarah.

Gadget
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 November 22 15:32 GMT (UK)
Found them with the family in 1861 but Ann is not with the family then.  Mother dies ?early 1871. Sarah and Ann are with their father.
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 21 November 22 16:02 GMT (UK)
I also think it’s Sarah, also the same, can’t seem to trace Eliza or Elizabeth, thank you
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 21 November 22 17:00 GMT (UK)
Does she have a glove on her left hand?  The Maltese cross pendant,does that mean anything?

Oooo great spot on the Maltese cross, it definitely is! I’m curious to find out why now!

Thanks for the input
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 November 22 17:25 GMT (UK)
Oh, Kev.  I assumed you'd spotted that.  Let us know what you find about it  :)
Title: Re: Any help and information with this Elizabeth Symons photo appreciated please
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 21 November 22 17:28 GMT (UK)
 Ha ha, yes I really should have!! I have had a quick look at it could just be a fashion statement, popular around the time apparently