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Title: Madron
Post by: Gordon163 on Thursday 17 November 22 17:03 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I notice that there is a Hendra Cottage near Madron, these days.

Does anyone know if there was a Hendra Farm in that area?

I have seen some records that suggest a Thomas Baynard lived at Hendra, Madron in the 17th Century.

I would be glad to hear if anyone knows anything about this.

Thanks,

Gordon
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: LucasKernan on Thursday 17 November 22 23:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Gordon,

I was able to find a Hendra Farmhouse on GoogleMaps:

(https://i.ibb.co/njy15X9/02-B8844-F-7-AE7-4394-B1-C3-54-B0-FA6-CD00-B.jpg)

It is located under Madron:

(https://i.ibb.co/FHVt3J0/EAD6-DE57-10-D2-4048-8-E1-E-957-F1-E545469.jpg)

The farm is about 1.33 km away from Madron:

(https://i.ibb.co/4fZkJ2Z/FFA022-B3-6215-4-F0-E-9-C04-B8-C6-E88-E463-E.jpg)

According to themovemarket.com, the property costs £832,000 in today’s money. In the 17th Century, it would have been about £7060. In those days, you could have bought 1100 Horses, 1300 cows, 8800 stones of wool, and 1850 quarters of wheat.

Title: Re: Madron
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 18 November 22 01:32 GMT (UK)
Doesn't actually say Hendra Farm, just "Hendra" on this 1876 map.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101439530
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 18 November 22 01:39 GMT (UK)
With just a very quick look, the earliest reference I can see in newspapers to Hendra Farm Madron is 1905, though there may be early ones.
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 18 November 22 08:46 GMT (UK)
Of possible interest:

"To the Editor of the Royal Cornwall Gazette
SIR,
I request the favor of your contradicting a mistake that appeared in your paper of the 29th ult. in the case of Baynard against Jacka. - Instead of "the Plaintiff is a Farmer and rents some lands in Hendra belonging to Sir Rose Price, Bart. near Penzance;" it should have been "the Plaintiff is a Farmer residing at Hendra near Penzance." - I am the sole proprietor of the Freehold, descended through many generations, and it is to the present moment unincumbered and owes neither suit nor service to Lord or Manor.
I am sir, your humble servant,
THOMAS BAYNARD
Hendra, April 7th, 1823"

Saturday,  Apr. 12, 1823,    Royal Cornwall Gazette

Modified to add:
There is another letter to the editor by Thomas BAYNARD following this one refuting a claim made by someone calling themselves "A lover of truth", arguing semantics. I can't find the other letter, nor the item that started the letter writing - there are some issues of the Royal Cornwall Gazette missing around this time.
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: Gordon163 on Friday 18 November 22 08:56 GMT (UK)
Certainly.

Thanks,

Gordon
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 18 November 22 09:32 GMT (UK)
You possibly have seen this already - a will for a Thomas BAYNARD, yeoman of Madron 1733
https://kresenkernow.org/SOAP/detail/9620a9a0-146e-471e-9923-223c64ba581a/

Another of 1755
https://kresenkernow.org/SOAP/detail/0036d21d-b5ad-4490-b7a8-0d7c2c956dba/

You can see transcriptions here, though from what I can see they don't mention Hendra specifically
https://docplayer.net/41887977-Cornish-probate-records-a-m.html
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: Little Nell on Friday 18 November 22 10:13 GMT (UK)
Hendra actually means 'ancient farm' and there are several others in Cornwall e.g. off the Gunwalloe road on the Lizard peninsula, another between Camelford and Boscastle, another near Pelynt to name but three, in different areas of Cornwall.  In times past, the locals would not have called it Hendra farm, just Hendra.

So it is a fairly safe call to say that Hendra, as marked on the 1876 map, is the same place that Thomas Baynard lived  in 1733.

Nell
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: Gordon163 on Friday 18 November 22 10:39 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much, that's very helpful.

Gordon

Title: Re: Madron
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 18 November 22 12:58 GMT (UK)
Cant help with Hendra but FreeREG has 3 bapts St Maddern, Madron
GRAACE Baynard 04 Nov 1655
KAME Baynard (Female) 09 Mar 1658/59
THOMAS Baynard 29 Mar 1663
Father THOMAS
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: osprey on Friday 18 November 22 13:05 GMT (UK)
you can access the original will via FamilySearch

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rxt/
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: osprey on Friday 18 November 22 13:25 GMT (UK)
the 1658/9 baptism is of Jane, not Kame

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rxu/
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 18 November 22 13:36 GMT (UK)
Thought it might be Jane :)
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: osprey on Friday 18 November 22 14:12 GMT (UK)
the transcriber was ok with the Thomas but didn't manage Jane! Must have been having an off day.

 :)
Title: Re: Madron
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 19 November 22 03:59 GMT (UK)
True ;D