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Hello ..
I'm trying to find my greatgreat grandfather and grandmother information.Name
William Fletcher
Birth 1810 Darlaston, Coseley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Different
Marriage
4 November 1833
Spouse
Charlotte Green 1 MAY 1818 • Staffordshire, England
DEATH JULY 1870 (• London!! ?)
I think in have gone wrong on the ancestry tree . One of the family members think they found William parents.
But I dont it add up to me because .Ann and William as parents and they are say they got 2 kids called William!!!!!
William Richards FletcherB:1830:June 1889 marriage Jane Rogers. Staffordshire United Kingdom. .
And then my grandfather marriage green
The information I got is Spouse and children William Fletcher ( family!?
Unsure about it
William 1787–1832t 5h great-grandfather Add MyTreeTags
Marriage2 ppl ? 9 November 1802 Ann Day
1788–
William Fletcher
1807 1811?? –1883
Amos Fletcher
1813–1886
Henry Fletcher
1814–
Joseph Fletcher
1815–
Mary Fletcher
1818–1881
Ann Fletcher
1818–1819
Phoebe Fletcher
1820–
William Richards Fletcher ,?
1830–1889
George e Fletcher
1861–
Spouse and children
Mary Kimberley
1790–1869
Everone hite a buck hall on William Fletcher 1809 for some time now . I. I have ask the people who the same information as to help me e understanding it but no one is.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VD-7NN
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ57-K6F
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG81-5QV
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGX-F17
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VD-7NF
Parents
William Fletcher
1807–1883
Charlotte Green
1818–1870
Siblings
Henry Whitaker Green Fletcher
1832–1895
William r Fletcher
1834–1836
Isaac g Fletcher
1845–1903
Half siblings
Susanna Fletcher
–1846. ??????
Thomas ??? Just found a source with info
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Hello,
You have provided lots of information there but I am not sure what the problem is. Are you trying to find William and Charlotte’s parents?
I am just posting this to give a reference - is this your family?
1851 /2031/35/11
William Fletcher 41 yrs Engineer b Coseley
Charlotte Fletcher 33 yrs b Dudley
Henry Fletcher 18 yrs
Isaac Fletcher 6 yrs
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1861 2050 /10/13
Transcribed as Hetcher on one site
William Fletcher 54 yrs
Charlotte 46 yrs
Isaac 16 yrs
Added
There is this death
September quarter 1870 Dudley
Charlotte Fletcher 58 yrs
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On www.freereg.org.uk there is a William Fletcher’s birth recorded in the birth’s register of Darkhouse Baptist Chapel Croseley of a William Fletcher born 22 December 1806 parents isaac and Mary Fletcher.
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Yes that is all the right information. On them .
Yes I try to find there parents. ..
William and Charlotte
The information I got it look wrong on William parents
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On www.freereg.org.uk there is a William Fletcher’s birth recorded in the birth’s register of Darkhouse Baptist Chapel Croseley of a William Fletcher born 22 December 1806 parents isaac and Mary Fletcher.
I will look into that one now
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Son of William and Charlotte Fletccher:
Thomas Fletcher baptised 12 June 1842 (born 26 May) Coseley (Abode Deepfields);
died 15 Mar 1846 Coseley
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Death Registration (no not in London)
FLETCHER, CHARLOTTE Age 58
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 38
I am not sure 1 May 1818 for Charlotte is correct - Where does this come from?
Possible baptism for Charlotte Green in Dudley 16 Feb 1812
Parents John and Sarah Green
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Unfortunately in all the census records we get different birth places for William Fletcher.
Coseley and Sedgley and Wolverhampton
There is this birth in Wolverhampton
William Fletcher bapt 5 Dec 1808
Base born son of Elizabeth Fletcher
However
I think the 1806 birth in Croseley to parents Isaac Fletcher and Mary James does look the most promising.
Their marriage took place on 4 Nov 1805 in Sedgley, and both were from Sedgley.
Both signed with a mark.
Witnesses to the marriage were Isaac Fletcher and John Newton
I cannot see any more children born to Isaac and Mary, so I wonder if this is Isaac’s death …..
Isaac Fletcher burial 28 Nov 1808 Coseley, age 23, killed in coal pit.
Son of Samuel Fletcher
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Charlotte Green information i got
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQT6-Q4P
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG81-R
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG81-5QK
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ57-K6N
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JVT-5BJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGX-F1W
And other family members got the some information as me
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Charlotte Green information i got
And other family members got the some information as me
Just because everyone has copied each other, does not make the information correct. :)
The 1 May 1818 baptism is in Bloxwich and is for Charlotte Ann GREEN
Father John (a clerk) and mother Julia. Abode: Elmore house.
I don’t think it is right for your Charlotte.
Her age at death suggests birth around 1812. Census gives her place of birth as Dudley.
If your Charlotte was born in 1818, then she married at age 15. Although not impossible, it is unlikely.
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Unfortunately in all the census records we get different birth places for William Fletcher.
Coseley and Sedgley and Wolverhampton
There is this birth in Wolverhampton
William Fletcher bapt 5 Dec 1808
Base born son of Elizabeth Fletcher
However
I think the 1806 birth in Croseley to parents Isaac Fletcher and Mary James does look the most promising.
Their marriage took place on 4 Nov 1805 in Sedgley, and both were from Sedgley.
Both signed with a mark.
Witnesses to the marriage were Isaac Fletcher and John Newton
I cannot see any more children born to Isaac and Mary, so I wonder if this is Isaac’s death …..
Isaac Fletcher burial 28 Nov 1808 Coseley, age 23, killed in coal pit.
Son of Samuel Fletcher
Where do you get information from
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Census records are on FamilySearch
Baptism / marriage / burial records on FreeReg
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The age cap go me think it was that year aswil
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1861 England Census
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View record
Record details
Name Charlotte Hetcher
Age 46
Estimated Birth Year 1815
Relation Relation
Spouse's Name William Hetcher
Gender gender
Where born city, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish city
Ecclesiastical parish Ecclesiastical parish
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Registration district Registration district
Sub-registration district Sub-registration district
ED, institution, or vessel ED, institution, or vessel
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number Household schedule number
Piece Piece
Folio Folio
Page number Page number
Household members
Name Age
William Hetcher 54
Charlotte Hetcher 46
Isaac Hetcher 16
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This keep come up on on ancestry
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/864935:1590?
tid=185563333&pid=132426224466&hid=1036485778656
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Have a look at the 1861 census again.
It records both William and Isaac as born in Sedgley, and Charlotte as born in Dudley.
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This keep come up on on ancestry
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/864935:1590?
tid=185563333&pid=132426224466&hid=1036485778656
Relying on Ancestry hints or other people’s trees is not to be advised. If they seem interesting, check and research yourself.
If you look at the link you have posted, that William Fletcher is in Lancashire. There is mention of counterfeit coins. There is another entry in 1840.
I can see newspaper snippets on FindMyPast which has reports referring to William Kenyon alias Fletcher and also Margaret Fletcher uttering counterfeit coins resulting in a prison sentence.
Your William was living with Charlotte at the time many miles away. So, it might be best to ignore that hint.
May I add that I posted the ‘Hetcher’ 1861 information in reply 2, although I did not include birthplaces.
If you are going to post census information, it is best to transcribe it yourself, or better still post a link to the information in Family Search which is a free site and available to all.
Copy and pasting from a subscription site is not allowed. Additionally, if you look at the pasted information, it is difficult to sift out the necessary from the unnecessary ;)
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Have a look at the 1861 census again.
It records both William and Isaac as born in Sedgley, and Charlotte as born in Dudley.
Coseley is close to Dudley and Wolverhampton. I have trouble with my relatives from that area and various birthplaces.
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Yes just see that one .I got that in my hite .
But I still suggesting now on William
Because the 1807 as you think it might fite right . Was marry to Mary h
Family members use to say he was a potatoes farmer. Does this look right
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61709&h=3802104&tid=185563333&pid=132426224466&queryId=97002933646cb94fa34834e14c9de9fa&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CuI87&_phstart=successSource
Will found
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/3606805:1904?tid=185563333&pid=132426224466&hid=1036485824948
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I don’t understand your last post.
William Fletcher who was married to Charlotte was an Engineer. Are you now saying that these are not your family?
Who is your ancestor?
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. I must have been tired last night when I seen . Because I can't find it now .
Yes William was married to Charlotte Green
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Good.
So are you ok with everything?
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Yes thank you . All of this is confusing because you get different dates 4 berth last name changes it's not very good appear who's trying to find family it's quite difficult to be honest I think.
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If you are sure your family descends from William and Charlotte - is that through Isaac - then just concentrate on that. If others choose different people in their tree, that is their choice.
It’s best to do your own with the back up of records.
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Ok I understand ok that now . . Now I wondered if Thomas 1842 is William & Charlotte. I only seen it the other day . And now I have found a record
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/171833873:9841?tid=185563333&pid=132426238289&queryId=d81932039c2a87313a06be052425969f&_phsrc=qNE14&_phstart=successSource
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An another child has got no sources about Susanna Hetcher
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4994&h=54280863&ssrc=pt&tid=185563333&pid=132426224469&usePUB=true
Marriage Luke Dean
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And a source for William 1807
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/15113659:7619?ssrc=pt&tid=185563333&pid=132426224466
William age 64 Head
Betsy Corbett
62 Son-in-law. ???
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People can only access that if they have ancestry subscription.
Have you looked at the census page?
Betsy Corbett is not a ‘son in law.’
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By going back through the censuses, Betsey is Elizabeth.
1851 2032 /133/53
William and Elizabeth Corbett in Dudley
1841 1196/32/3
William and Elizabeth Corbet have two children - William 3 yrs and George 1 yr.
GRO shows a birth
George Corbett 1840 with mother’s name Green.
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No I have to be honest
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I've just put Elizabeth in as blank no age nothing sources are coming up
ashttps://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2575&h=16184203&ssrc=pt&tid=11781377&pid=132416957670&usePUB=true
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No I have to be honest
Well if you had done so, you would have seen that it says ‘sister in law’ and has been transcribed wrongly.
You could then have followed her back as I did and discovered that she was a Green. Possibly/hopefully your Charlotte’s sister. :)
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I've just put Elizabeth in as blank no age nothing sources are coming up
ashttps://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2575&h=16184203&ssrc=pt&tid=11781377&pid=132416957670&usePUB=true
There is no link there but you shouldn’t keep linking to ancestry as people can only access if they are subscribers.
Elizabeth is Corbett as in that census you have. You also have her approximate year of birth and Dudley is also a help.
In 1841, they are Corbet - just one ‘t’.
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Big Thanks you for helping me
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It’s a pleasure. :)
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Different William H. Fletcher
BIRTH ABT 1866 • Coseley, Staffordshire
Parents
Henry Whitaker Green
1833–1895
Dinah Fletcher
1837–
Siblings
Spouse and children
Sarah Jane Flavell ????
1871–
Alfred Frederick Fletcher
James Green
I'm not see a marriage records .only record with children
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Just to back track - you may have this:
Marriage December quarter 1861, Dudley
Henry Green and Dinah Baker
Birth March quarter 1866 Dudley
William Henry Green - mother Baker
Presumably Henry was born to Charlotte Green before her marriage to William Fletcher.
Henry seems to use both surnames at different times.
Marriage June quarter 1893 Dudley
Sarah Jane Flavell and William Henry G Fletcher
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Yes that right. But I can't find marriage to Sarah Jane flavell
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I gave it to you there. You might have to send for the certificate if you want further details.
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Just found the marriage on Free Reg. https://www.freereg.org.uk/
St Chad, Coseley 5th June 1893
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Wow . I been look for it as will can't it lol
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I was looking on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Thatks the index which I quoted initially but luckily it has been transcribed on Free Reg. :)
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How too use reg . I keep get No results found
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Do you mean Free Reg? https://www.freereg.org.uk/
If so:
Enter surname Flavell and first name Sarah Jane
Enter 1893 in first year and last year boxes
County - choose Staffordshire
Record type : marriage
Click - search
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An another child has got no sources about Susanna Hetcher
Marriage Luke Dean
Susanna Hetcher is NOT part of your Fletcher family.
These are Children of William FLETCHER and Charlotte GREEN:
1. Henry Whitaker Green - baptised 15 Aug 1832 Wordsley, (mother’s residence - workhouse ) This was Charlotte’s child.
2. William Fletcher - baptised 5 Oct 1834 Coseley; William was buried 7 Feb 1836 (Parents residence - Legge)
3. Thomas Fletcher - born 26 May 1842, baptised 12 June 1842 Coseley (Parents residence - Deepfields); Thomas was buried 15 Mar 1846 Coseley
4. Isaac Fletcher born 25 Dec 1844; baptised 2 Feb 1845 Coseley (Parents residence - Deepfields)
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Ok . Because Susanna record keep come up in William information .
I found that was talk about Charlotte green information. As her parents are John juila
. I found marriage records for Charlotte green with a William Henderson (1808
And other people got some. So I'm unsure with Charlotte green is part of there family
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Ok . Because Susanna record keep come up in William information .
I found that was talk about Charlotte green information. As her parents are John juila
. I found marriage records for Charlotte green with a William Henderson (1808
And other people got some. So I'm unsure with Charlotte green is part of there family
Susanna
If that name ‘keeps coming up in William’s information’, have you checked it out?
Neale1961 has given you information which can be checked. That is what you should do, if you think there is any validity in the information which ‘keeps coming up’. Ancestry gives hints and names but you should view those lightly until you can verify them.
Charlotte
Where do you have her parents as John and Julia? I thought they had been discounted.
If there aren’t reliable records, you may never know who her parents were. You have her sister as Elizabeth though.
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Ok . I don't know how to check them out init . I found this Web.
Yes i found Elizabeth Green
B:1805 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England
D:March 1879
marriage 2 ppl
Thomas Cadman
Job Brough
1801–1861
Ancestry member trees
From 3 other public Ancestry member trees
With Charlotte parents and sister Elizabeth . And every one got Charlotte marriage
William Henderson (1808
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We already have Elizabeth Green marrying William Corbett.
That is not your Charlotte Green.
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I seen that one just yet
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I have posted about Charlotte Green earlier in this thread. Please read my reply #7 and reply #10.
Elizabeth Green married in 1836 West Bromwich to William Corbett
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/59ff63eaf493fddd0fc3bcf9/elizabeth-green-william-corbett-marriage-staffordshire-west-bromwich-1836-12-27?locale=en
Elizabeth Green is sister to your Charlotte Green.
Both Charlotte and Elizabeth were born in Dudley (according to census)
Elizabeth Green baptism 1805 Dudley (parents John and Sarah)
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817c3f0e93790eca3d5c521/eliz-th-green-baptism-worcestershire-dudley-1805-02-20?locale=en
Charlotte Green baptism 1812 Dudley (parents John and Sarah)
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817c3c7e93790eca3d57a32/charlotte-green-baptism-worcestershire-dudley-1812-02-16?locale=en
This might be the marriage for John Green and Sarah (Charlottes's parents)
1795 Wolverhampton
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5bf13323f493fde91e2d25c7/sarah-bourn-john-green-marriage-staffordshire-wolverhampton-1795-04-14?locale=en
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Thanks you for posting that information .I was suggesting find Elizabeth marriage records
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I go to have a look on this information now .thank you .
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This is all the information I can find on family search. It so difficult to ancestry and confused family search is
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/GNXB-49B
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/GNXB-VSB
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/GNF8-HBR
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/M32X-ZQB
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Those links from Family Search are from someone’s family tree. Are you certain it is correct?
I have already given you all the available information and sources about your Green family.
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Yes thanks you
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From what I can see, Neale might just check please, they are the same information which has already been given on here by Neale and me.
As I have written before, it is not good to go by other people’s trees. It is best to do your own.
Some people just grab names and use them without any verification.
If you are looking to find connections, then once you are sure of your own tree, it makes that easier.
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From what I can see, Neale might just check please, they are the same information which has already been given on here by Neale and me.
In my opinion, there are quite a few errors in that tree, and other places where information is lacking.
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Im trying to find to be honest with .. yes I agree with you on that . I followed some family members.
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From what I can see, Neale might just check please, they are the same information which has already been given on here by Neale and me.
In my opinion, there are quite a few errors in that tree, and other places where information is lacking.
I didn’t look at a tree, sorry, I just saw Charlotte and Elizabeth with the parents as given by Neale.
Perhaps ignore what I said. ;)
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I don't mind to be honest with you .I have left it for family members . I was copied my cousin tree (kilford)
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I don't know how to delete anything on family search . In siad od go by cousin iv that try to do my own with following them . I only can't find it this on there https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNF6-YBZ
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What do you want to delete?
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The wrong people.and my cousin Source what they add
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Because some of the account they don't use anymore
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You have to do what is called a "merge".
It can be rather confusing and takes some time - maybe your cousin can help. ?
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Yea. I'm goo to ask hope she understands it better then me . Big thank for helping me