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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: sigrid7 on Tuesday 11 October 22 15:25 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to establish if William Nichols bc1804, Hammersmith, a basketmaker or similar, is on the 1871 census. His wife is Elizabeth, not sure of her c birth year, unfortunately. He likely wouldn't have moved far from his birth place. ( although I have been proved wrong on other cases....)
I think he didn't make the 1881 census, so the 1871 would be a help.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Provide the 1851 & 1861 so we may search on his progeny too.
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1871 Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
Wm Nicholl 66 Head Basket Maker
Elizabeth Nicholl 41 (but looks more like 61) Wife
Fredrick W Hawkins 19 Boarder
Ann S Hawkins 4 Boarder
Charlotte Templeman 1 Nurse Child (Nurse)
Colin
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The address looks like 13 Bradmore Grove
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Thanks - I have previous census, unfortunately he didn't have any children.
That's him, thank you, I appreciate that!
At least he is alive in 1871, I need to have a look at deaths now, and would like to see if he left a will...
Thanks again for a quick find!
And Bradmore Grove, hopefully I can find where that is.
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You mention that you have his previous census so I guess you know about his previous wife being Maria?
William Nichol
Birth 1804 Middlesex, England
Spouse Maria Nichol
Residence
1861 Hammersmith, Middlesex.
Colin
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Thanks Colin, I do know about the 1851. I've never found a suitable marriage to a Maria, and on his marriage to Elizabeth he states bachelor.
I have wondered if Maria and Elizabeth are the same person??
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And Bradmore Grove, hopefully I can find where that is.
Don't forget the route is on page 1 of the census.
I'm thinking it's north of King Street. a bit east of Ravenscourt Park
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Thanks for the reminder. I'm not subscribed at the moment, so can't see full details, but I've made a note for next time I subscribe.
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Bradmore Grove no longer exists but it was off Beadon Road, next to the railway line.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.0&lat=51.49368&lon=-0.22725&layers=168&right=osm
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Thanks for that! It always helps and is interesting to see where addresses were. Helps put the history into context.
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Thanks Colin, I do know about the 1851. I've never found a suitable marriage to a Maria, and on his marriage to Elizabeth he states bachelor.
Do you mean 1861 census from previous post?
Could this be William in 1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6T-7N5
1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQJZ-W2B
John
When did William marry Elizabeth!!
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Thanks Colin, I do know about the 1851. I've never found a suitable marriage to a Maria, and on his marriage to Elizabeth he states bachelor.
Do you mean 1861 census from previous post?
Could this be William in 1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6T-7N5
John
When did William marry Elizabeth!!
That's a bit confusing. Family on 1841 and 1871 which fits your 1851 suggestion - wife Mary b c1815, children Peter b c1841 and George b c1849. Only problem is her husband is also called Peter - and he's a basket maker
Ah. Ancestry have transcribed the 1851 as Peter not Wm - and the image seems to bear this out. Related family perhaps?
Added: I should scroll down on the image. Wm's the brother boarding in the same household!
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You mention that you have his previous census so I guess you know about his previous wife being Maria?
William Nichol
Birth 1804 Middlesex, England
Spouse Maria Nichol
Residence
1861 Hammersmith, Middlesex.
Colin
I'm sure by now you are aware that I referred to the 1861 in my post.
Just one question from your original post.
How did you know his wife's name in 1871 would be Elizabeth?
By the way there are marriages for William on Ancestry 1828 to 1836, 3 Mary's & 1 Maria.
Colin
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Sorry Colin, I did mean the 1861! Apologies for the typo and confusing people.
William married in 1852 to Elizabeth, I have the cert, but the 61 says wife Maria ... unless either the 61 or 71 is wrong? I've not found William on the 81 and not sure about Elizabeth. I would like to find deaths, but it seems hard given the common names.
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Plus, to answer further, William is with his brother on the 41 and 51. If William was married he wasn't with his wife, if his wife was Maria. He sure is tricky fella to unravel!
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I note the marriage.
William Nicholls
Marriage Date: 21 Mar 1852
Marriage Place: St Peter's, Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham
Father: Peter Nicholls
Spouse: Elizabeth Hobbs – occupation not noted.
Father James Hobbs
Both of full age, signed X
1861 Hammersmith, Middlesex.
William Nichol 57
Birth 1804 Middlesex, England
Spouse Maria Nichol age 48, Nurse
Boarder Frederick Hawkins 9 (He is on the 1871 age 19 with William and his mother below)
Frederick Hawkins
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1851
Baptism Date: 22 Jan 1851
Baptism Place: St. Pauls, Hammersmith, Middlesex,
Mother: Ann Hawkins Abode Fulham Workhouse
1871
Wm Nicholl 66 Head
Elizabeth Nicholl 41 Wife Occupation looks like NURSE
Colin
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These seem to be the possible death registration, given the registration areas for Hammersmith & Fulham in the day.
NICHOLLS, WILLIAM 66
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 161
NICHOLLS, ELIZABETH 81
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 179
In 1881 it looks likely that Elizabeth a widow is in Fulham Union Workhouse, Hammersmith Road, Fulham, London & Middlesex, age is noted as 76, so not quite right.
Colin
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Thanks very much for your help.
I'm going to say that both census, 61 and 71, are correct. Why his wife is recorded as Maria is strange on the 61 - it doesn't sound much like Elizabeth. I will look into the deaths you found, thank you, and have made a note of the 1881 for Elizabeth.
Maybe Maria is a middle name or for some reason she changed her name to Maria at the time of the census. If Elizabeth is in the workhouse in 1881 she most likely won't have left a will, even a few years later, when she died.