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Title: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Monday 10 October 22 22:48 BST (UK)
According to the Wesleyan Baptismal Register, a Thomas NOSWORTHY and his wife, Mary, baptised a son, James, at Belleville, Ontario on 22 December 1846. I have followed James until his death but I cannot find any further evidence of his parents, Thomas and Mary. As the 1851 census is not reliable in terms of coverage available for viewing, they certainly have not been found there. But not in any further census forward. No record of death for either. If not in the 1881 census, I suppose one can only assume both died before that time.  IF Thomas is the person I believe he is, he would have been born around 1820. Any help most appreciated. Nikkei
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 00:51 BST (UK)
I note that James was baptized the same day as a Harriet, daughter of a James & Harriet Nosworthy, also in Belleville, by the same minister which suggests that James Sr. is likely a brother to your Thomas.

Only one part of the 1851 Belleville Census is missing:

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~onhastin/Census/1851/1851ab.htm

Death records did not begin to be recorded until after 1869 (along with births and marriages) so if they died prior to then, you won't find a death record for either of them.

James Sr. and his wife Harriet are in Belleville in 1871, born born in England.   Harriet's maiden name may have been Appleby as there is an Ann Appleby, a widow, aged 75, born England, living with them.

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 01:27 BST (UK)
Thank you for replying. I agree with you that James Sr. and Thomas Nosworthy were most likely brothers. I suspected the death of Thomas might not be available as too early for records. Wondering if there might be a burial record in a church register somewhere, but ??? One would think he would have been buried around Belleville.

James Nosworthy m Harriett C. Furnival 17 March 1840 Victoria, Ontario..(familysearch). Further research shows the "C' to be Clapham. Will check out the "Appleby" name.

James Sr. burial is on www.findagrave.com in 1893 BUT I believe the stone is incorrectly transcribed. I believe it says, born South Tawton, Co. Devon.   There is no Co. Kent. Both brothers (James and Thomas) can be found baptised in South Tawton, 1816 and 1820. Unfortunately a newspaper writeup upon the death of James Sr. states  he was born in "Plymouth, England, on April 27, 1815.... but of course newspapers cannot be relied on, and that place does not support the memorial stone at all.  Thanks so much for your time. Nikkei


Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 01:29 BST (UK)
The 1861 Directory for Belleville only shows James living on North Bridge Street, along with Mrs. Appleby.  No entry for Thomas.

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 01:33 BST (UK)
I really think Thomas and his wife must have died between 1843 and 1861 then.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 01:43 BST (UK)
Would there be any directories for Bowmanville as it would seem Thomas' son, James (Jr.) lived there in due time, so perhaps Thomas did too?
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 01:46 BST (UK)
When James (born 1846) marries for the second time in 1893, he names his parents as Thomas Noseworthy and Mary Cundol (sic).  He says he was born in Belleville, but living in Bowmanville, Durham County at the time of marriage.

When James Sr. and Harriet married in 1840, it was in Victoria District, which encompassed Belleville, but that entry doesn't give residences (unlike others in the records).  Districts were abolished in 1850 when counties were established and Belleville became part of Hastings County.

Here's the image from Find-a-Grave. I think it actually says Co. Dover.
https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2020/182/211971701_5dbb48f1-09fb-46d8-be80-87a44fd1928a.jpeg

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 01:51 BST (UK)
This website is owned by an expert in Durham and Northumberland Counties, and also plays his cards close to his chest, so it may cost you some money to get the info out of him, but there is a reference to a Thomas C. Noseworthy, ex of Bowmanville (Durham County) who dies in Winnipeg but no reference to when or age:

https://www.ontariogenealogy.com/n_ancestor.html
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 02:04 BST (UK)
I will check that out re Thomas C. Noseworthy ex of Bowmanville... thanks so much.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 02:15 BST (UK)
Might be this one:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133158705/thomas-c-nosworthy

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 02:17 BST (UK)
Yes I think you are right. A search in vital records for Manitoba came up with him... died in Winnipeg.
Last Name: NOSWORTHY
Given Names: THOMAS   Sex: MALE
Date of Death: 06/08/1891
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 02:20 BST (UK)
"Maybe" the C. in his name stands for his grandmother's maiden name (which was a strange name as written).  But that's just a guess :)
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 13:57 BST (UK)
Ann Appleby dies 24 August 1879, aged 83 years, 7 months, 17 days, born Leeds, (iillegible), England, housewife, chronic dysentary; informant is J. Nosworthy.

Found marriage notice for a Mrs. Ann Clapham, relict of the late Daniel Furnival, and daughter of Samuel Smith Clapham, Esq. of the City of London, England, married Thomas Dorland Appleby, J.P., of Tyendinaga  on 23 July 1840 in Belleville.  Found marriage of Ann Clapham to Daniel Furnival of Liverpool, grocer, on 25 December 1815 in Liverpool with consent of bride's father, Samuel Smith Clapham
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 14:25 BST (UK)
Found a Find-a-Grave entry for a David Furnival, aged 44, who is buried in Brookside Cemetery in Waddington, St. Lawrence County, New York which is on the shore of the St. Lawrence river.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/48377264/daniel-furnival

Reference in an estate file in New York for an Ann Furnival, widow of Daniel, who applied to administer his estate since he died without a will in Madrid, St. Lawrence County.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 14:34 BST (UK)
Thank you for all these details... they are supporting what few details I have on these lines. Much appreciated. This is the article I found in the newspaper re Thomas C. Nosworthy who died in Winnipeg:

Daily Intelligencer, Friday, August 7, 1891
"Wired from Winnipeg". T. C. NORSWORTHY a young man from Bowmanville, Ont., died yesterday at the General Hospital here from typhoid fever. The remains will be taken east for interment. "
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 14:40 BST (UK)
Found the "Appleby" connection in the newspaper report at death of James Nosworthy (Sr.) in 1893:

"Mr. NOSWORTHY married, 53 years ago, Harriet FURNIVAL, daughter of the late Mrs. APPLEBY, who survives her husband." Daily Intelligencer, 5 June 1893

So she must have married again.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 14:41 BST (UK)
Old newspapers available from St. Lawrence County provide no further details about Daniel in 1833.  There is reference in a paper from 1888 about Mr. John Ross, Mr. James Nosworthy, and Mr. George Mitchell being the only survivors of the old Belleville rifles which did duty at Gananoque in 1838 -- fifty years ago.

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 15:32 BST (UK)
Thanks. I think we've done a pretty good job with the details. I just wish I could decipher the headstone to my satisfaction. "Dover" could certainly be "Devon" ; Dover isn't a county. And North Tanton could be North Tawton. The transcription given to me by the archivist said it had been transcribed as "Tanton, Co. Dover" which is very close to "Tawton" and differs again from the findagrave transcription which assumes "Kent" from the name Dover.

 The date of birth on the stone is 27 April 1816 and the James Nosworthy I believe he actually is was baptised 3 June 1816 at North Tawton, son of James and Elizabeth, father a Sadler. If Thomas was his brother, he too was baptised there in 1820.

And, by the way, James C, son of Thomas, was married to Harriett NUNN, born England, on marriage register.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 15:35 BST (UK)
There is a Mary A. Nosworthy in Port Hope, Durham County in the 1861 Census, born around 1830.  There is a Jane, aged 21, single, living in the same household.  It is possible that Mary's age is given incorrectly.  Both are born in Upper Canada.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 15:50 BST (UK)
Finding newspaper references to James being a captain aboard a Great Lakes mail steamer, the Prince of Wales in the late 1840s plying between Belleville and Kingston. By 1853, reference in a newspaper advertisement for James Nosworthy, saddler, advertising for help wanted for the Belleville Saddle & Harness Factory.  Later, he is a GTR agent.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 16:01 BST (UK)
Now that you have me fully invested in the Nosworthys, I will plan a visit to the Belleville Public Library and Archives in the near future as I live just north of there.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 16:26 BST (UK)
Well, that's great that you have "fallen" for this Nosworthy line ;) Also keep in mind, should you go to the library, when searching, that search engines rarely include Norsworthy as an alternative when you put Nosworthy in the search engine. Family search does pretty well at this, but many don't. I usually always search separately for Norsworthy when looking for Nosworthy. Noseworthy is usually included as an alternative though. Most Noseworthy's originate in Newfoundland.... but if you can go back far enough, they were originally from Devon.

Thanks for everything. !!
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 16:31 BST (UK)
You wrote:
There is a Mary A. Nosworthy in Port Hope, Durham County in the 1861 Census, born around 1830.  There is a Jane, aged 21, single, living in the same household.  It is possible that Mary's age is given incorrectly.  Both are born in Upper Canada.

Are you thinking this might be the widow of Thomas? If so, you might be right... and the age in the census could also be off. Where is Port Hope in relation to Belleville? I live in N.B. so not too clued in about locations in Ontario.

Jane, age 21, would have been born around 1841 ?? Could be a daughter ??

Sorry won't bother you again .....
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 11 October 22 16:33 BST (UK)
Feel free to bother.  Port Hope is today in Northumberland County which borders Hastings County to the west on the north shore of Lake Ontario.  In 1861, it was part of Durham County and is where James Jr. married in 1868.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 11 October 22 16:40 BST (UK)
Interesting... more food for thought. Ever wonder why we do this :) :)

Take care.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Friday 21 October 22 03:09 BST (UK)
Not sure if you'd found this info re: James, using his leather skills...  :D

Found a patent - Canada Patent Office 1885 Nosworthy, James, Belleville , Ont, Ca. Cartridge - belt
   More info page 371  https://books.google.ca/books?id=bb9QAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PA371&lpg=RA2-PA371&dq=Nosworthy+,+James+,+Belleville+,+Ontario
United States. Patent Office · 1888 · ‎Patents 2563 1.34 357 Nosworthy , James , Belleville , Ontario , Canada . Cartridge - belt
Montreal Herald- 7 avril 1886
Military Accoutrements. Ottawa, April 6.—ir, James Nosworthy, of  Belleville, has arrived here with samples of  his  military accoutrements, which he will lay before the Militia Department of  the  (Government. His waist belts and modern cartridge belts have been examined by local military men, who expressed very flattering opinions.
https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/4101367


Hastings Chronicle, Wednesday, July 13, 1859
Check out the prices for these buildings!!! [n. w.] corner of Bridge and Charles  streets, [156 Bridge Street East] on a beautifully elevated site, is a Cottage for Mr. J. Nosworthy. It is of brick, two stories high, 40x54 on the ground, including the north wing.  With the wood-house, stable, carriage house, and outhouses complete, the cost will be about £1000
   also Albert Street.
Mr. James Nosworthy has put up on Albert Street a double tenement house, two
stories, brick 44x33, with kitchen 24x17. P. Carey, mason Geo. Reeves, carpenter. T.
Gardner, plasterer. "Cost $3,500."   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rvo/

Adding: also Deed relating to land on Bridge Street in Belleville, Ontario
CA ON00156 2018-063 Item 1855 Bargain and sale of part of lot 24 on the west side of Pinnacle Street and north side of Bridge Street in Belleville, Ontario from James Nosworthy, saddler and Harriet Clapham Nosworthy, his wife, to George Taylor of Sidney Township. Dated 7 May 1855.              County of Hastings
& just noted:
James NOSWORTHY married Harriet C. (Clapham) FURNIVAL, 17 March 1840
a few months before her own mother was married again.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Saturday 22 October 22 00:12 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for these details... they are new for me. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 22 October 22 11:38 BST (UK)
 You're welcome! You've surely had some terrific help from eileenwilson on here!!!
Yes James did well for himself it seems...Probably had to work hard for it...so many occupations & also working almost to the end. The stone does appear to say Dover...But as you said being that he was a sadler/saddler appears to clinch it. 

James Nosworthy & Elizabeth Martin 1813 North Tawton, Devon, Eng
FHS has the baptism years with these listed below as "birth" dates:
Baptism Place  North Tawton, Devon, Eng  - Religion Anglican
  Father James  Occ: Sadler  Mother Elizabeth
John Nosworthy b. 5 Sep 1814
James Nosworthy  b.   3 Jun 1816
Elizabeth Nosworthy  b. 28 Dec 1818
Thomas Nosworthy b. 21 Feb 1820
William Nosworthy b. 1 Jan 1822
Martha Nosworthy b. 28 Dec 1825
Mary Nosworthy b. 2 Aug 1829
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NXB-8WQ6

adding: also that pdf with buildings for James also had him as Noseworthy...the home went over budget...Blimey, the size!!!...would likely be million plus today.
On the west side of William street, East Belleville, the Cottage just completed by Jas.
Noseworthy Esq. stands conspicuous, both on account of its situation and design. It is
built strictly in the Elizabethan style, and tastefully ornamented throughout. This cottage
is 42 feet on the front by 60 feet deep, including the west wing,—is built of brick, with
cement covered roof, and cost £1250. 
 
Yoiks - million & a half plus! Not sure how much of it is original as our winters are tough on homes...On the market right now! https://tinyurl.com/2s385jj5
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 22 October 22 15:09 BST (UK)
 
Cundell Cundle Candle Candel Candal Candell
Mary Ann Noseworthy Marriage 3 April 1861 Durham, Ontario, Canada 
Birth  Canada   Parents John & Mary Candle ( I read it as Cundle) 
Spouse: Alphonso Hindes Birth 1810  United States
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS76-CWNT-4?i=44&cc=2568642

1861 census - Alphonso Hinds -Bowmanville, hotelkeeper b. 1853 U.S. with dau Ellen & son Alphonso
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1861&op=img&id=4107391_00037

finally found her on the1871  Oshawa, East Whitby, Ontario,
Note that there is also a Mary A. Lee in the household? So there's another mystery to solve!
Alfonso Hindes 1806 Eng  Alfonso Hindes Jr. age 27 Ontario
Mary Hindes 1825 Eng   Jane Hindes age 31 Eng
Mary A Lee 1805 Eng ??? (noting that there was a Jane Lee with Mary Nosworthy in 1851!)
Minnie Hindes 3 Ontario   Florence Hindes 8 Ontario
Perhaps Eng. means English /Upper Canada to the enumerator...still using the monetary "pound" in 1855 Ont.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1871&op=img&id=4396345_00152

Mary Ann Hindes BIRTH   (stone says: Aged 52 years 11 months)
Second wife of A. Hindes
DEATH 8 Apr 1878 BURIAL  Bowmanville Cemetery  Bowmanville, Durham
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210199869/mary-ann-hindes
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Saturday 22 October 22 18:08 BST (UK)
Nice work J.J.!  Lots of great info here.  Weather promises to be very nice this week -- will try to get to the cemetery to have a look at the stone myself.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 22 October 22 21:23 BST (UK)
Was behind on this as it took me a while to figure out..., so in case others also get confused
re: James, son of Thomas born c.1848 & his wife (also a Harriet /parents of Thomas C. Nosworthy. )
I suppose because his 2nd. marriage to Lydia Haney was cut short, the monument honoured wife #one. https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2021/322/133158805_b60d3515-90cb-40ca-a314-ca472b3f6735.jpeg

Thomas C's siblings Maud, Herbert & Frank in 1891
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1891&op=img&id=30953_148134-00467

I also just had to look: Yes... Jane Lee became Alphonso Hinde Jr's wife
Still no light bulb moment on the whole family connection as yet.
Jane lee Hindes b.  Sept 8 1837  (open in new tab...Hit plus sign to enlarge)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133303728/jane-hindes

You may want to tell the tree owner on FHS site that tree has Jas & Harriet dau. Jane...but it was "eldest son" James Corby Nosworthy born 1853 - d. 1873
https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2020/182/211971880_cc628deb-cd3e-4368-9787-cd332a2ee7e9.jpeg
also dau. Elizabeth was baptised 1841
My goodness...Not only did Thos. die young, but sadly many of his children & Grandchildren as well!

 
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 23 October 22 02:28 BST (UK)
I thought the family above Mary A. Nosworthy was a different name in 1861 Port Hope Durham... but I see now that they were also LEE (Glance looked like ice)
William Lee age 67 b. 1894 Eng occ: carpenter wife Mary age 54 born 1807 Ireland
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1861&op=img&id=4391933_00408

addition: So she was with her parents & Cundale was Gmother's name ? or step-father & half sibling
marriage:  WILLIAM LEE ... MARY CUNDALE ... 1828
More on page
CUNDAL CORNELY ..  PENROSE ELIZABETH .. 1839
CUNDILL MARTHA ..  MILLARD MORDECAI .. 1838
 *CUNDALE JOHN ..  MANNING MARY .. 1824

adding: so perhaps * above was marriage one???
CUNDALE MARY ANN    .. JOHN - MARY .. 1826
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Sunday 23 October 22 13:10 BST (UK)
I have just seen your latest updates. Wow... such great work. I am going to look at this more closely today and get back to you later today.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 23 October 22 16:00 BST (UK)
   Yeah, waaaaaay too much time on my hands after the fall cleanup in the yard! It was either grab the cleaning supplies or do this.  :P  Seems I chose well. 8)
   If eileenwilson can find some more good old stones & memorials in the vicinity...perhaps she can help prove us all right or wrong & get back to the others over the pond!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Sunday 23 October 22 17:34 BST (UK)
Just wanted to post these two newspaper articles for whoever might wander past this topic of James NOSWORTHY someday in the future. As you can see, James' date of birth and place in the below article, are simply not even slightly close to that on the memorial stone, suggesting the informant was ill-informed. I did ask on the Devon-list for comments about the inscription and received some very, very thoughtful responses. On the whole there was little doubt that it was TAWTON and not TANTON. While a very careful comparison of the letter "O" in all words on the stone might suggest that the stonemason had been instructed to carve "DOVER" (and not "DEVON"), albeit, not even the name of a county, and a mistake.

DIED ON THE STREET. Mr. James NOSWORTHY Succumbs To An attack of Heart Disease.

He fought against the Rebels. Varied but Successful Business Career. Interesting Particulars.
"Scarcely had the excitement occasioned by the untimely death of Alex. Harris on Friday morning last subsided, when the  people of this community were at noon today shocked with the announcement that Mr. James NOSWORTHY had fallen dead on Pinnaole Street a few minutes before.
Mr. NOSWORTHY, who was one of the oldest inhabitants of Belleville and one of the best known figures on our streets, was about town as usual this morning, attending to business, but complaining, as he had been for some time past, of weakness and an unpleasant feeling about the heart.
At about 11:45 he was seen by Mrs. Kenny, who lives on the corner of Pinnacle and Campbell sts., to be standing on Pinnacle st. leaning against the fence near Dr. Walker's gateway. A few moments later he fell to the ground, when Mr. Reid, (an employee of Belleville Business College), Mr. W. W. Lee, Mr. Hugh Walker, jr., and Mr. T. Stevenson, who were in the near vicinity, carried the stricken man, who was gasping for breath, into Dr. Walker's residence.. The Dr. was not at home, but Dr. McColl, who was summoned, responded and was followed in a few minutes by Dr. Walker. It was too late for human aid. The vital spark had fled from the venerable gentleman's breast; his heart had ceased to beat. The visitation of death was to him a painless one, as there was not the slightest contortion of his features.
James NOSWORTHY was born in Plymouth, England, on April 27th, 1815, and was consequently in the 79th year of his age.  He came to Belleville in 1833, and after learning the trade of a harnessmaker carried on business in that line for several years, when he sold and became captain of the steamboat Prince of Wales, which he ran for a long period. Subsequently he became a contractor for supplying the Grand Trunk with wood for fuel, and during late years he has furnished ties to the Grand Trunk and other railways, amassing a handsome competency.
It should be mentioned that he served his country against the rebels in 1837-8, and also during the Fenian raid. In politics heas a Conservative and in religion a Methodist. His record was a highly favorable one, and he died respected by the entire community. His death, though shocking in its suddenness, was not unlooked for by himself, as he remarked upon the subject tomany friends  of late that he expected to be cut off quickly, owing to heart trouble.
Mr. NOSWORTHY married, 53 years ago, Harriet FURNIVAL, daughter of the late Mrs. APPLEBY, who survives her husband. Six children were born to them, of whom but two survive, namely Mrs. Henry BLEECKER, of Los Angeles, California, and Mr. Charles W. NOSWORTHY, of this city.
Daily Intelligencer, Monday, June 5, 1893.

Old Belleville Resident Dead.
Mr. James C. Dale, banker of Madoc, was in Belleville on Wednesday attending the funeral of his cousin, the late Mrs. Jas. NOSWORTHY, who died in California at the residence of her daughter, Mrs. Harry BLEECKER, in November last. The body was kept in the vault at Los Angeles during the winter and was brought to Belleville to be lais beside her late husband, James NOSWORTHY, who died several years ago, and who was well known in Madoc and this section years ago as the owner of valuable mineral and timeber lands in North Hastings. The deceased was over 80 years of age, and left Belleville for California shortly after her  husband's death.
North Hastings Review, March 1908
archive.org
Community Archives of Belleville...
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 23 October 22 18:47 BST (UK)
   The women do not even have names?...I missed the "Mrs." and thought the man had somehow died twice until I noted the use of "her". How typical of the attitude of the day & that misogynistic political stance that women were/are of little insignificance... Sick to death of sharing newspaper obits for a woman which turn out in the end, to be all about "the Deceased/Old Resident's" almighty husbands or her male relatives.

   
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 24 October 22 17:47 BST (UK)
Here are the pics of the stone. Definitely says North Tawton, Co. of Dover.  Either wrong info given to stone cutter or he made a mistake.  I took close ups of the three inscribed sides of the stone along with pictures showing its situation amongst other stones.  There are no other stones nearby so it must have been one big plot that had the stone added later.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 24 October 22 17:48 BST (UK)
More pictures.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 24 October 22 17:49 BST (UK)
More pictures:
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 24 October 22 17:50 BST (UK)
Last of pics. If you want better quality that I can upload here, please send me a PM.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Monday 24 October 22 18:17 BST (UK)
Thanks so much for going to the cemetery !!! Photos are great. Like I mentioned in my recent post, the consensus was that the it was definitely "Tawton", and "DOVER" (based on other "o"s in the stone) and that the stone mason was either given wrong info, or made a mistake. No doubt in my mind now that his birthplace was North Tawton, Devon. (since there is no county named Dover).
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 25 October 22 00:38 BST (UK)
   eileenwilson, so good of you to go to so much trouble as to make a trip to search for more information. When I first joined this site 18 yrs ago I would bus downtown to peruse both archives for people. I know these searches aren't just around the corner.

   How nice that you've found James & Harriet's first born'... "E.A." ...Elizabeth Ann Nosworthy Peard with her husbands forename on her memorial stone.
   We have a lot of women with Scottish origins in the graveyards around my area. The women's names are prominent & most often show their maiden names as well.  RESPECT!!!

   How odd that under his father's Gravesite Details at Find A Grave site it mentions that "Charles Nosworthy owns all "12 graves" yet there are no others around. Come to think of it, where is Charles' stone or mention? No image on the site, either - Birth 09 May 1858   Death  12 Mar 1900


Just adding this because she ended up in Belleville as well
   Not sure if related, but had this in my notes...
??? Nosworthy, Elizabeth, Born Feb 12 1790 in Kenn, Devon, Eng., Died Feb 06 1877 in Belleville, Hastings Country, Onterio,
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/familytree?uid=nosworthy&surname=Nosworthy
Elizabeth Nosworthy Chr. 11 March 1790 Kenn, Devon, Eng   Parents: Thomas &  Martha
  a tree on FHS  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KCS4-V28
Adding having read the next reply this is not family but for those who may be searching, posting the son on 1861 census. Never know as her husband who died 1855 was also from Devon...and there's a gal with surname Martin, also b. Nfld. who may be with the household. Still could be distant rellies. 1820 marriage Marldon, Devon a wee bit of a distance ( as a teen I slowly walked 9 miles in about 5 hours) Marnaton & Marldon not that far from Ghudleigh, though...
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1861&op=img&id=4391553_00190
 son Thomas's County Treasurer for Hastings County
https://discover.cabhc.ca/political-scrapbook-of-thomas-willis
Tree & images (Wills) https://tww.id.au/family-history-wills/mike-wills/talk/46jww13comptonfamily.html

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 25 October 22 02:39 BST (UK)
I tried going to the office to ask about Charles but they were closed for lunch. I also messaged the owner of the Find-a-Grave memorial to ask about the reference to the 12 graves.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 25 October 22 02:52 BST (UK)
The Elizabeth Nosworthy who dies in 1877 was married name Wells (or Wills). I will go with Wells as that is a Belleville name. Born Devonshire. Informant is a Thomas Wells (or Wills), of Church Street, Belleville.

In the 1871 Census, Elizabeth Wills is with her son Thomas, aged 44, born England, and his wife Anna, and a bunch of children, all born in Ontario.  Interestingly, Thomas' death in 1907 indicates his birthplace as Greenspond, Newfoundland in 1827 so the family was there before coming to Ontario with many other families from Devon and southern England.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 25 October 22 03:24 BST (UK)
Ladies you are doing a fabulous job and I have to take time to sort some of this out. Just want you to know that I'm not ignoring your comments and appreciate all the time you are spending for me. I'm glad you sorted out the most recent Elizabeth Nosworthy leading to NFLD... usually spelled Noseworthy from there.

I searched for an obituary in newspaper for death of Charles Wesley Nosworthy who died in 1900 but found nothing.

I agree that the family J.J. listed from North Tawton is the correct one for Thomas and James (brothers) who end up in Ontario. I'm now trying to work back from their father. James. James Nosworthy, residing North Tawton, married Elizabeth Martin, residing Chudleigh, 23 May 1813 by Banns. This James was a Sadler and Harness Maker, like his son, James, who went to Ontario.

James Sr. died 3 Nov 1855 and was 68 yrs old (newspaper). He died at Knackersknowle, near Plymouth, Devon, making for a birth ca 1788-9.  I have found some confusion with possible candidates (parents) for James, and am trying to sort that out. Never ending puzzles :)
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Tuesday 25 October 22 03:45 BST (UK)
Elizabeth WILLS is buried at Belleville Cemetery.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 26 October 22 00:22 BST (UK)
   Yes, I'd said she ended up there, although there are no direct ties found to your family (as yet)
I think you'd may want to look more thoroughly, before hanging your hat on the sadler. It seems likely but not absolute. Have you looked into the Marriage & Banns information for the parents? Also, I took the info from the devon FHS search which said those were Tawton birth dates, not christening dates. You'll need to confirm that on FindMyPast or Ancestry as FHS isn't always correct. Also his will 1856  Egg Buckland, Devon should be read to confirm. Three of the lads are not there with them in 1841, so that coincides with the journey to North America. Their eldest son, John, becomes postmaster for the town.
   Also, have you looked through all our information given to you by us and jotted down a quick tree?  It would be nice to know you've spent a few moments putting it all together.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Wednesday 26 October 22 02:27 BST (UK)
Thank you J. J. for your message this evening. I have been making a tree based on all the comments. I have a great deal of the work done by Graham Nosworthy (deceased) (the link you sent from Tribal Pages, is his work). In the work he sent me years ago, he has Elizabeth Nosworthy bap 30. 10. 1789; died 6.2. 1877 in Canada. He states she married Thomas Wills, J.P. who died 1877 in Canada. Stated they had two children but did not continue the line.

This Elizabeth was one of number of children born to Thomas Nosworthy (1757-1792) and Martha Wilson.(1744-1814). They were: Thomas bap 9. 12. 1779, at Kenn, Devon; Samuel, 1781-1805; Joseph 1783; John 1784; William 1786-1816; James 1788; Elizabeth (who married Thomas Wills); and George 1792. I think there is a very good possibility that James died who married in North Tawton, and died in 1855 might have been a son of one of these sons of Thomas and Martha (Wilson) Nosworthy.

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 27 October 22 15:01 BST (UK)
I was thinking perhaps cousins rather than brothers & sisters. (Couldn't be a grandchild)  I noted the mother being Martha but there is a tree on FHS that claims a marriage for Elizabeth's brother, James, so you'd have to disprove those findings, first.
  1851 James is still a saddler but Elizabeth has passed away   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJ3-JNF
says born 1789 Knackersknowle son John a sadler...daus. Martha a Milliner & Mary a house maid
  Thos 1831 & Eliz in 1824, were both indentured servants apprenticing Husbandry/Midwiffery.
Young Thomas attacked another youth in March 1840 (see url for details)...Townspeople petitioned & he was only jailed one year, so if found to be your Thos. the earliest he could have sailed out would have been 1841...It may have also prompted the move for the parents.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/CourtRecords/InquestsEX1839 
   Hope the will in 1856 contains some connecting clues for you.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Thursday 27 October 22 23:18 BST (UK)
So many issues to discuss... First of all, after an afternoon of research, I am making this suggestion for your consideration: I don't believe that the James Nosworthy, son of Thomas and Martha, is the correct James who married Mary CAME (Is this the marriage you were referring to that must be disproved?) .. Here is my reason: A Samuel Nosworthy married Elizabeth HUBBERD, in Exeter, 24 November 1788. Three children were baptised to a Samuel and Elizabeth: James, 25 Dec 1789;  Samuel 9 Nov 1790; and Joseph 4 Nov 1793. Then a James married Mary CAME, in Exeter, 5 July 1818; Then a James and Mary baptised a daughter, Elizabeth Hubberd Nosworthy 3 Oct 1819. Based only on the inclusion of Hubberd in their daughter's name, I am suggesting that this James (who married Mary Came) was not the son of Thomas and Martha. I believe then, that James, the son of Thomas and Martha IS the James who married Elizabeth MARTIN in North Tawton . Would you think this is a reasonable possibility?

Next, could you tell me where you see Thomas Nosworthy who left for Canada no earlier than 1841 mentioned about being apprenticed (along with Elizabeth ) in your earlier message. I can't seem to find that.

Thanks again for your time.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Friday 28 October 22 14:56 BST (UK)
   Hello Nikkei, were you able to confirm Elizabeth Martin is the correct ancestor? Have you read the will? You haven't posted the contents.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Friday 28 October 22 15:45 BST (UK)
I haven't seen any will at all. I searched for one for her husband, James, in 1855, but found nothing. I will look for one for his wife around 1846, but doubt there would be one. One never knows though. 

A James buried at Eggbuckland, 6 Nov 1855, age 68; Elizabeth on 5 Dec 1846, age 58 at Eggbuckland . This burial supports the 1851 census when James was a widower.

Oct 31, 1855; at Knackersknowle, near Plymouth, age 68 years, Mr. James Nosworthy, Saddler. Western Times 3 Nov 1855

Marriage: James Nosworthy, residing North Tawton, m Elizabeth MARTIN, residing Chudleigh.. 23 May 1813. by Banns. I have no way of tying "this" James to the family of Thomas Nosworthy and Martha Wilson, but I do believe the James who married Mary Came is not the correct son. What do you think?
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Friday 28 October 22 20:50 BST (UK)
1956 - With link to Devon Archives and Local Studies Service
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/d762aca7-6470-4c40-af93-454b5718866f
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Friday 28 October 22 22:43 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for the link, J.J. I have contacted them by email.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 02 November 22 18:34 GMT (UK)
***MARTIN*** from the rest of my Nosworthy notes
Chudleigh Deed of covenant for levying a fine, Chudleigh, 18th October 1824
   ...1) Richard Richards of Chudleuigh, limeburner and Ann his wife,
and James Nosworthy of North Tawton, saddler and Elizabeth his wife
     2) John Richards of Gappah in Kingsteignton, gamekeeper Premises...
         messuage, tenement or dwellinghouse with garden adjoining
         on the east side of Exeter Way, part of Shapter's tenements.
  Also, 3 messuages, tenements or dwellinghouses erected on the site
  of a messuage, tenement and backhouse which were destroyed by the
  great fire of 1807, formerly 2 messuages in Culver St, Chudleigh.
*** NOTE: Richard Richards married "Ann Martin" 1817 Chudleigh
   Richard Richards 1841 Residence: Kerswell House ( wife Ann died childbirth 1826 )
      1851 Rich'd is living Old Exeter Street with a servant - Old Exeter Street
     Richard Richards BIRTH 1791  (Powderham on 1871 census) DEATH 27 Jan 1872
       Inscription In memory of ANN wife of Richard Richards of this
      parish who died the 15th Day of December 1826 aged 36 years.
       Anna- daughter who died Sept 1st 1826 aged 7 mo.
      also in loving memory of Richard Richards who died at Torquay Jan 27th 1872
 
John Martin of Chudleigh, mason 1790s:
   before fire of 1807:
Devon Heritage Centre Reference number 4516Z/T/1-2
     1) John Causley of Chudleigh, mariner
***2) John Martin of Chudleigh, mason
      3) Joseph Collings of Chudleigh (nominated in trust for John Martin)
Premises: three cottage or dwellinghouses on the east side of Exeter Way
in Chudleigh, with a garden or plot of ground, part of several messuages or
 tenements known as Shaptors Tenments.Date  2nd May 1796-3rd May 1796
 https://devon-cat.swheritage.org.uk

Marriage  Dec. 14  1785   John MARTIN    Mary HOW
   Martin Elizabeth   b. May 5th 1788  Baptism  28 May 1788   Chudleigh, Devon, England
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGPX-4VSK
   Ann Martin-b. Nov. 5   Baptism 3 Dec  1786
   Ann Martin- Baptism Jan 17  Baptism  3 Feb  1790
   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLB6-VPTX
Grave Plot # 282 St Martin and St Mary Churchyard Chudleigh
  Martin John   b.1755   d.1821   age 66
    Martin Ann     b.1786   d.1789 age 3   
  Martin Mary   b.1756   d.1803   age 47
only 4 plots away #279   are
 Nosworthy Mary   b.1732  d.1809   age77     
 Nosworthy Robert    b. 1705     d.1791   age 86
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:St_Martin_and_St_Mary_Churchyard
 Robert Nosworthy of Chudleigh, yeoman  Children of Robert & Mary Nosworthy
 Mary  1760   Robert 1761  Robert 1763   Elizabeth 1765   Grace 1767 Ann 1769
May not be relevant:
  Marriage 26/10/1797 Thomas SHAPTER & Elizabeth HOW
  There was also a John Nosworthy, yeoman Chudleigh in  1732
  Thomas Hill apprenticed to John Nosworthy, yeoman, for Coombes Read and Bobbages

also...Poor young Thomas:  His friend forgave him...
 http://medicalgentlemen.co.uk/patients-and-diseases/typhoid-budd-1
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Thursday 03 November 22 02:06 GMT (UK)
I can certainly see your researching skills are far above mine J.J. !! I hadn't tried to look back from Elizabeth Martin, but it would seem you have certainly found her parents. Family search also has a Susanna Martin buried Chudleigh on 14 November 1792, Bishops Transcripts, who doesn't appear to listed in the Wiki Tree entries. .. maybe no stone. Are you suggesting a possible connection to the Robert and Mary Nosworthy buried there? I'm going to look at Graham Nosworthy's work and see what he has on them.  I see you have their children listed.

What does this mean in today's English: Chudleigh Deed of covenant for levying a fine, Chudleigh, 18th October 1824
   ...1) Richard Richards of Chudleuigh, limeburner and Ann his wife,
and James Nosworthy of North Tawton, saddler and Elizabeth his wife

Are you thinking that the Ann Martin who married Richard Richards, was a sister to Elizabeth? Probably born too late for that though? But connected in some way for sure.

"Poor Thomas" certainly didn't do well on either side of the ocean. I agree. No mention of him in newspapers that I can find.

James Nosworthy who died in 1855, Eggbuckland: I did ask about will. Charge would be around 15 pounds.... given that it is looking more and more like this line will not connect up to mine, I doubt I can talk myself into buying it.

Index to Death Duty Registers, 1796-1903; James NOSWORTHY; residing Eggbuckland, Devon; Exec: John Nosworthy ... illegible address.  This would be the son who stayed in England then. Found him also in later censuses.

I also lucked out in finding the memorial stone for James and Elizabeth ... copyright and image poor, but definitely them. https://web.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue/

https://quinte.ogs.on.ca/find-it/  A search for James Nosworthy at this website does pull up documents, but no will for his death in Belleville. I will contact the fellow you mentioned earlier and see what happens. 

Not sure what happened to the family of Charles Wesley Nosworthy who died in 1900, but from the newspaper it would seem he sold his business and his wife sold everything else: No sign of his wife in 1901. "Intelligencer, Dec 1, 1889: Lost and Found. Officer Morton picked up on Front st. yesterday a little girl 4 years of age who had wandered away from home. After considerable time had elapsed she was found to be a daughter of Chas. Nosworthy".

Intelligencer, 1 Jan 1896: Livery business of Chas. Nosworthy bought by Byron Way.

Intelligencer, 1 Nov 1896. Mr. D. J. Fairfield will sell by public auction at the residence of Mrs. Chas. Nosworthy, Albert St., the whole of her household furniture and effects on Tuesday, Nov. 10th.

Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Friday 04 November 22 19:04 GMT (UK)
Not sure why you think that Anne Martin/Richards was too old to be Elizabeth's sister as it matches the birth date exactly. As for the older Nosworthy in Chudleigh, I have no idea if they are related in any way. I do know that the elder James may not have come from the area in which he worked. Small towns don't often need 2 saddlers, so he could have been born, or trained or moved there.
   While looking at notes for Ann...I think I forgot William Nosworthy b. 1822 to Jas. & Eliz. - in 1841 a William age - 15 Winkleigh, North Tawton, Fore Street...   Since 1831 - apprenticed ( also husbandry) to head of household Petheren, William, 60 Timber Merchant  ( actual surname Lethern or Letheren)
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Monday 07 November 22 03:14 GMT (UK)
You are right J.J., Ann would have been Elizabeth's sister; I didn't look at the date closely enough. Thanks.
So William, b. 1822, was around in 1841; I couldn't find him in 1851 though.

Going back to Ontario: After Charles Wesley Nosworthy died in 1900, I eventually found his wife, Emma L. (maiden name Jones) running a boarding house Niagara Falls, N.Y. State in 1900 census. Her daughter, Amy Harriet, was with her but her name has evolved into Dama Harriett. Emma (mother) married Roland S. MARVIN 4 Oct 1904. (N.Y. State marr. index). Her daughter "Dama, born 5 Nov. 1885 in Belleville, Ont., married George N. Allen. (U.S. Social Security Application and Claims Index). The marriage was announced in local paper .
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 01 December 22 16:38 GMT (UK)
Just noted that FHS has the baptism under Rosworthy...another spelling to look out for. Further investigation of the page shows that the capital "R" is never like that, so must be an "N" with a mark on the scan.
You could look further into: Wm Horsworthy  Birth 1823  Merchant Navy Seaman  Military Service  UK
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Friday 02 December 22 02:17 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this re William Nosworthy / Rosworthy, J.J. I will see if I can add anything further on him.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 03 December 22 03:45 GMT (UK)
Was excited to see Wm. Nosworthy working with a lumberman, as James in Ontario was a lumber merchant in the 1870s Ontario, and there was a significant trade market with Devon.  Of course he likely just ended up a farmer. Never found him as either, nor in census other than 1841. One was not always trained in the same trade as the master, and in this case he was already with him for 10 yrs.  Wonder if he was just being taken advantage of and just working as a free farmhand after his husbandry apprenticeship was over. His 7 years term was already well over as he'd been with his master since age 9 so 10 yrs by census... his age was manipulated for the census as he was 19 not 15 in 1841.
   There are also 3 deaths for Williams 1846, 48 & 53 in Okehampton district! Unfortunately no ages given...also see that James death listed Dec quarter 1855 -  as James Wosworthy -Plympton
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: polarbear on Saturday 03 December 22 04:03 GMT (UK)
The GRO website now has the ages for earlier deaths and these ages are posted for the years J.J. posted for the Okehampton deaths….

1846  94
1848  1
1853  79

PB
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 03 December 22 04:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks PB...that rules out a death there for young William...Must have moved on. We're still waiting for Nikkei to get the information available on James Sr.'s will from the Devon archives. Should hopefully shed some light on benefactors to prove the connection, etc.!
 Just a reminder, Nikkei you just need to fill in the contact form ( Hit "Contact us about this file" to the left of his entry)  https://devon-cat.swheritage.org.uk/records/1078/IRW/N/319
 eileenwilson was kind enough to do a cemetery search for more family in Ontario, as the grandson owned a large section with many family plots ...but unfortunately there were only a few burials to be found in there. 
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 06 December 22 03:42 GMT (UK)
Obituary can be found with a sub. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPZQ-G97Z
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: bbart on Tuesday 06 December 22 08:09 GMT (UK)
Obituary can be found with a sub.  https://www.findmypast.com/
   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPZQ-G97Z

It's sadly just a death notice vs. a true obituary, but still has more information than some I've seen:

Western Times 03 November 1855
Oct. 31, at Knackersknowle, near Plymouth, aged 68 years, Mr. James Nosworthy, saddler.
Title: Re: Thomas NOSWORTHY in Belleville, Ontario
Post by: Nikkei on Thursday 08 December 22 01:12 GMT (UK)
So much has been accomplished on this line ! So many great contributions from dedicated and interested researchers on RootsChat. Unfortunately the more that was discovered, the more I began to realize that this particular Nosworthy line did not connect to mine. As a result I won't be ordering the will mentioned for James Nosworthy who died in 1855 (as much as I would like to know what it says.... but the cost is hard to justify). I am in the process of writing as much detail as I can about the line and will attempt to give it to the appropriate archive in Ontario if they are interested so that it will be available for others. I would therefore suggest that this discussion be concluded and thank all of you for your considerable time and effort.