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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: lyp24 on Wednesday 05 October 22 17:35 BST (UK)
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Help!
Doing my friends family tree and i am unable to find his grandmothers birth certificate
Her name is Dorothy English Whewall
Born in 1917 in wolstanton.
I have a marriage to willism bateman but cannot find ger parents
The family felt there was something odd as i was told by them she was 'farmed out' to other relatives. It is believed her mother was called winifred
Not sure where to go from here
Btw tried every variation.
Thankyou x
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Have you located her on the 1921 census
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Birth June qtr 1917
English Dorothy
Mothers maiden surname Whenwall
Wolstanton reg district 6b 121
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Have you bought a copy of her birth cert - no English/Whenwall marriage & hers is the only birth showing with those names
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GRO online shows mmn Wheawall which seems to match better as there are many BMD entries for that spelling . Still no marriage
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The Bateman marriage is on freebmd - 1937 & she was shown as Whewall
You need to buy her birth cert unless you can find her on the 1921 census with her mother. It looks as though a fathers name is shown on the birth cert
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Dorothy English Bateman b 4.4.1917 died Staffordshire March 1996
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1921 free index you would have to view record for info/birthdate
Dorothy Wheawall b1917, Staffordshire, living Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Dorothy, Thomas, Marie, George and 2 others are on this record
Added: think they are possible grandparents?
Thomas Wheawall c1860 and wife Maria c1858 living Wolstanton can be found in census.
Think BC for Dorothy is needed to see if any of their dau is parent. No dau Winifred that I can see. Although dau Ellen c1894 married in 1919 her dau was Mary Winifred Lodge b 1923.
Cas
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More of the 1921 census
All surname Wheawall
Thomas 1860 Kingsley, Staffordshire
Marie 1858 Cheadle, Staffordshire
George 1898 Staffordshire
Amy 1898 Fenton, Staffordshire
John Thomas 1908 Yorkshire
Dorothy 1917 Staffordshire
Thomas Whewall married Maria Summerfield in Cheadle in 1881.
There is a birth for George Wheawall 1898 Wolstanton mmn Summerfield and a marriage for George Wheawall to Amy Degg in Wolstanton in 1921.
John Thomas may be John Thomas Wheawell born 1908 Wakefield mmn Malpass.
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In 1901 there are 4 daughters
Maria 16 married 1908
Margaret 12 - no marriage found
Hannah 10 - married 1915
Ellen 7 married 1919
So my guess for her mother would be either Margaret or Ellen
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In 1901 there are 4 daughters
Maria 16 married 1908
Margaret 12 - no marriage found
Hannah 10 - married 1915
Ellen 7 married 1919
So my guess for her mother would be either Margaret or Ellen
There was no daughter named Margaret - she was in fact Mary Ann born 1889.
Couldn't find a marriage for Mary Ann but noted a Mary Winifred married a Frederick Thomas Gough in Dec.qtr.1908 and by 1911 they'd had a son also named Frederick Thomas b.Jun.qtr.1909.
Then zilch - can't find these 3 again after 1911 and there appears to be no further children. Thought they could have emigrated but can find nothing there either.
There's no birth for a Mary Winifred Whewall/variants ca.1889 in Cheadle so was wondering whether Mary Ann became Mary Winifred? However, can't follow them after 1911, can't trace emigration record so where did they go?
Dorothy's birth certificate has to be purchased to establish who her mother actually was also, name of given father ...........English.
Annette
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Thankyou so much for all your replies. Im awaiting a birth certificate which hopefully will clarify. I believe the details i was given to trace her were incorrect.