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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: ikas on Thursday 29 September 22 09:22 BST (UK)
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Lost Cousins website reports Ancestry are to extend their SideView Technology to matches. Details at
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/26/23367499/ancestry-genetic-matches-parent-side
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That sounds an improvement. I wonder how they will cope when a match is related through both maternal and paternal sides. I expect lots of people have those
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Biggles' comments on this from another thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865705.msg7366393#msg7366393
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It will be interesting to see how many matches they allocate and how accurate their algorithms are. Like many I have a lot of matches allocated to maternal/paternal side already so I will be able to check.
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I have a several groups of unknown matches whose only shared matches are other people in their own group. If this feature does work it should at least (in most cases) indicate on which side to search for the link.
It would certainly be beneficial if they gave us a proper chromosome browser!
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The Ancestry App was updated on 3rd Oct to version 14.19
Details of update states:
- New Sideview technology allows Ancestry to determine which side of your DNA your DNA matches come from.
Can anyone see this feature anywhere?
G67
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(http://)I can see the new feature. It is a big improvement for me as my parents are second cousins. It now shows a lot of cousins on their correct side. Previously I had to mark a cousin on the wrong side to get the correct relationship. I now have an even quantity of maternal and paternal cousins whereas before it was about 95% maternal cousins.
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How are you accessing it GailB?
I can't see it anywhere.
Any help appreciated.
G67
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(http://)Go to your list of DNA matches and the top you can now select by parent, all matches or by location
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Thanks a lot.
I see it on the website but not on my app.
Website saying: "Something went wrong. Please try again later."
Now I know where it is though will keep an eye on it.
Thanks again!
G67
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Thanks a lot.
I see it on the website but not on my app.
Website saying: "Something went wrong. Please try again later."
I keep getting the same thing
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I am reliably told that Ancestry started rolling this out yesterday but have said it will take until midnight tonight (Thursday) before everyone has the feature so a wait and see game.
Pheno
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Just looked again, I now have labels saying parent 1's side, parent 2's side and unassigned. Where I had already put in maternal or paternal side, no new label has been added, so I don't have confirmation. One at least of my matches where Ancestry has identified a common ancestor which I have verified, has been labelled unassigned, even though I have four shared matches with that person , three of which are now labelled Parent 1's side (my father) and the other I had already labelled paternal side. This one now has a little note "This match is on your Parent 1's side. Do you want to change Parent 1 to Paternal side? This will label all Parent 1 matches Paternal side and Parent 2 matches Maternal side".
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I have one match who is related on both sides. (Was very surprised when I found it because father from Berks / Oxon and mother from Dorset / Hants coast, but my match's ancestors met up about half way between!). ancestry has labelled this a paternal as we are 3rd cousins through my paternal ancestor and 5th cousins once removed through my maternal ancestor.
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How would you know if you had previously got the assignment between maternal and paternal wrong?
I had previously assigned to either maternal or paternal side and now those same groups of people are saying the same thing and appearing correctly under either maternal or paternal matches. Would there be some indication that I had said maternal for instance and that the match was appearing in the paternal listing? Or did I simply get it right every time?
Pheno
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Thanks a lot.
Iebsite saying: "Something went wrong. Please try again later."
Now I know where it is though will keep an eye on it.
Thanks again!
G67
I was getting that error message as well. I have just realised it was because I was hitting the new parent button. If you just look at the list of matches you will see they have been allocated to parent 1, parent 2, or unassigned.
I assume pressing the parent button will at some point allow you to select all parent1 matches or parent 2 matches or even unassigned matches. Is this feature already working for anyone?
At first pass it seems accurate but some surprising unassigned.
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I was getting that error message as well. I have just realised it was because I was hitting the new parent button. If you just look at the list of matches you will see they have been allocated to parent 1, parent 2, or unassigned.
I assume pressing the parent button will at some point allow you to select all parent1 matches or parent 2 matches or even unassigned matches. Is this feature already working for anyone?
At first pass it seems accurate but some surprising unassigned.
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Yes thats exactly what it is like. The matches, having used the 'By Parent' heading are then in 3 groups Maternal Matches, Paternal Matches & Unassigned matches. You then proceed by choosing one of these options.
I have allocated maternal & paternal to Parent 1 & Parent 2. If you haven't it might be that the headings are Parent 1 matches & Parent 2 matches.
Pheno
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Good to hear that parent button is working for you, Pheno. Guess I will just have to be patient. So far I have not found any incorrect allocations but the unassigned is occasionally bizarre. One of my matches is unassigned but her daughter is correctly assigned. Even more inexplicable is another match where ancestry has correctly identified the common ancestor but still labels the match unassigned. ???
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The common ancestor is from information in other peoples trees, not from DNA matching.
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How would you know if you had previously got the assignment between maternal and paternal wrong?
I had previously assigned to either maternal or paternal side and now those same groups of people are saying the same thing and appearing correctly under either maternal or paternal matches. Would there be some indication that I had said maternal for instance and that the match was appearing in the paternal listing? Or did I simply get it right every time?
Pheno
I had parent 1 and parent 2 assigned by Ancestry and maternal and paternal (and in one instance both) assigned by me) By one of my correct assignations there was a note saying parent 1 looked like paternal, did I want to change parent 1 . When I said yes, all the matches turned to eithe maternal or paternal, but the ones I had previously assigned but Ancestry had unassigned had a note by them to say they were custom labeled ( meaning I did it)
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The common ancestor is from information in other peoples trees, not from DNA matching.
But I have a match from maternal side (1C1R) who I have verified and she and I have several shared matches,which is obviously picked up from DNA matches not CAs / other peoples trees. Why are some of those shared matches showing up as unassigned? they should follow the same line as the match.
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These shared matches aren't particularly low (30 - 35 cM). One is my grandmother's brother's grandson, so reasonably close relative.
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On the All Matches page I have a note saying Paternal side/Maternal side/Unassigned but against the odd one or two of these labels is an ! mark in a circle. When I click on this it says 'This is a label you selected for this match'.
Is this telling me that it was unassigned in their algorithm but they have gone along with my previous labelling or are they suggesting that my previous labelling, which they have stuck with, might be the incorrect parent? I know it is not the wrong side as it is a first cousin.
Pheno
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The common ancestor is from information in other peoples trees, not from DNA matching.
Yes, that explains the CA one but the mother/daughter remains a mystery
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I'm getting some issues with shared matches. I've got paternal matches whose shared matches are maternal (and vice versa), and some matches whose shared matches are a mixture of both.
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I'm getting some issues with shared matches. I've got paternal matches whose shared matches are maternal (and vice versa), and some matches whose shared matches are a mixture of both.
Do your parents come originally from the same geographical area?
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My maternal grandmother's line and my paternal grandparents lines mostly all come from within an area with an approx 40 mile diameter. The new feature indicates I have no 'Both Sides' matches at all. If my parents lines were somehow related surely there would be at least one indicated as such amongst my 23,000 matches?
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Deleted post - seconds thoughts on it's relevance.
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Is anyone else's "SideView Technology" mixed up?
I have tested both my mother and my father separately and manage their results.
I am quite lucky because the family of my mother's mother was almost exclusively from Lincolnshire and the family of my mother's father was from the south of England (Wiltshire/Somerset/Berkshire). For this reason, it has been very easy to separate my mother's maternal and paternal matches. Also, she has 2 second cousins who have tested: 1 on her father's side and 1 on her mother's.
However, Ancestry has lumped some of my mother's maternal matches into her paternal matches. They are clearly related to her on her mother's side; their ancestors hail from Lincolnshire and they match my mother's maternal second cousin. They even have the correct common ancestors via ThruLines!
In fact, other than my mother's paternal second cousin, who they have correctly identified as being a paternal match, virtually all the identified matches are from her mother's side!
Having said that, most of the matches are still unassigned (over 12,000), so maybe there are a few teething problems.
Weirdly enough, my father's side is very accurate, even though his parents were born only 20 miles away from each other! Thankfully, despite being close geographically, they obviously don't share any recent ancestors, which makes things a lot less complicated when sorting matches!
I am disappointed, though, as I always look forward to new features :'(
Queenie :)
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My parent button is now working correctly this morning so just a roll-out issue. They suggest unassigned may change with time so perhaps my mother unassigned but daughter assigned will be updated. I also see they want errors to be reported to them. So far I have not found one but clearly from posts on this thread the accuracy is variable. Looks as though they will be kept busy!
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For me the relationships are mainly correct (as far as I can see so far) but I have found one whopper. I've also found an instance on my brother's results where they've wrongly assigned 'paternal' and I can't change it because the 'maternal' option isn't offered.
I think it would help if it said eg 'Parent 1' and 'Maternal'. My poor brain won't remember which is which after I've checked a few matches and updated notes.
I suppose it's early days and hopefully it will improve. A chromosome browser would have been so much more useful. I can't understand Ancestry's unwillingness to install the feature.
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I've also found an instance on my brother's results where they've wrongly assigned 'paternal' and I can't change it because the 'maternal' option isn't offered.
I've noticed that as well. Once assigned edit relationship does not offer the opposite side just unassigned as an option. I assumed I was just missing some way of reversing the assignment perhaps in another view. Can anyone see a way of doing that? If not it must be a bug?
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Went live for me last night at 7:30pm (Scotland).
All assigned matches looking spot on for me so for EXCEPT my closest match, a first cousin on my paternal side.
This was assigned to Both Sides and, as mentioned above, it does not give the option of re-assigning to paternal side. I've fed this back, hopefully it will be sorted out soon.
G67
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I've now found several instances where matches I share with my brother say 'maternal' one side and 'paternal' the other. This is extremely unlikely. In the cases where I don't know which is correct I'd like to be able to unassign them but that doesn't seem to be an option.
Also, whilst I know we're dealing with a machine I really resent it flagging up in red that our maternal 1st cousin must really be a paternal match - and just in case anyone's wondering if it's possible all our other matches give a lie to it.
I think for the sake of my blood pressure I'm just going to have to ignore this new feature.
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Just heard from one of my matches that they have not got SideView so it is still being rolled out. When I looked on Anc website at the announcement of maternal/paternal matching it has a footnote that some subscribers will not get it until February 2023!
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Also, whilst I know we're dealing with a machine I really resent it flagging up in red that our maternal 1st cousin must really be a paternal match - and just in case anyone's wondering if it's possible all our other matches give a lie to it.
I'm in the same boat with 3 first cousins (2 paternal and 1 maternal) being marked as being from "the other side" and even marking them as keep they are still flagged in red. There are several 2nd cousins with whom I've shared a fairly comprehensive paper trail who have also been moved from my paternal side to the maternal. It does not imbue any sense of trust in any of the results.
I think for the sake of my blood pressure I'm just going to have to ignore this new feature.
You and me both ;D ;D
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Morning, Just wondering has anyone got a similar problem as me? They’ve sorted my matches as, paternal 7 matches & maternal 522 matches a bit better but not great and unassigned over 10,000 matches.
I have spent many hours sorting my matches, building trees, researching, even adding my match's lines to my tree to figure out the connections.
My parents are from different countries Mum’s side northern England/Scotland (east coast) & Spain, Dad’s side, southern Ireland mainly (east coast), Dublin, and Wicklow area’s. I just can’t understand why there are only 7 on my Dad’s side!
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Morning, Just wondering has anyone got a similar problem as me? They’ve sorted my matches as, paternal 7 matches & maternal 522 matches a bit better but not great and unassigned over 10,000 matches.
LostCousins site has linked an article that explains in more detail how SideView works. It might help explain your situation.
https://thednageek.com/ancestrydnas-sideview-assigns-matches-to-parent-sides/
I am still trying to understand the article. :D
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Hi, Thanks ikas i will take a look, fingers crossed i understand it.
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Mine was available yesterday.
5400 Paternal
10800 Maternal
3600 Unassigned
I spent 1/2 hour just trolling through each of the sections.
It correctly assigned the matches that are already in my trees and looking through them my own assumptions as to which parents line the match is from was largely followed.
Of the unassigned only one is above 50cM and he matches with others in my Paternal line. Quite a few of the remaining ones do have shared matches with specific Grandparent lines so they can be pretty easy to assign as a starting point should I wish to research them further.
Each of my Grandparents was from geographically different regions of the UK so this makes assigning lines easier for me.
Impressed by the tech used and it should help in giving users an initial starting line of research.
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Morning, Just wondering has anyone got a similar problem as me? They’ve sorted my matches as, paternal 7 matches & maternal 522 matches a bit better but not great and unassigned over 10,000 matches.
I have spent many hours sorting my matches, building trees, researching, even adding my match's lines to my tree to figure out the connections.
My parents are from different countries Mum’s side northern England/Scotland (east coast) & Spain, Dad’s side, southern Ireland mainly (east coast), Dublin, and Wicklow area’s. I just can’t understand why there are only 7 on my Dad’s side!
I manage 7 tests on Ancestry. Most of them seem to have been sorted pretty well but one has failed spectacularly with only 728 paternal and 54 maternal matches and a massive 13399 unassigned! All the tests are at least a couple of years old so there's no reason for that to be the reason.
R.
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They didn't do so well with my matches. Most of them are right but most of them are easy, the wrong ones all have Irish ancestry, so far at least.
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I came on RootsChat to post to query why I don't have access to this new Side View feature, but most of my cousins have. I was wondering if I needed to do something but was dismayed to read a previous post saying that some people will not be able to access this until February 2023. How can it be so random and why is it taking so long?
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I have one test on Ancestry.
For 'parent 1' (my father) it lists 4 common surnames- his grandmother's maiden name, his mother's maiden name, Smith & Allen. Well, he does have Smith ancestry far, far back as well as Smiths who married into family over the years but ALLEN? The only 'Allen' I can think of was the first name of great-grandfather's cousin! The next most common surnames are his great-great-grandmother's surname, Andrews, Ellis, Miller, Adams, Anderson. None of those surnames I mentioned fit anywhere into his family.
The Origins bit isn't that far off. On his side I have 23,458 matches.
For 'parent 2' (obviously my mother) only one of the common surnames is a mystery.
On this side I have 18,213 matches but the Origins bit is off to say the least. I should start by saying mother's maternal side is German & her paternal side is 1/2 German and 1/2 English. So roughly 3/4 German & 1/4 English for my mother? No. 4% Germanic Europe, 3% France (part of family lived on German-French border), 37% England & Northwestern Europe, 6% Sweden & Denmark.
Good thing I'm not going to these estimates to trace my family tree!
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I was wondering if I needed to do something but was dismayed to read a previous post saying that some people will not be able to access this until February 2023. How can it be so random and why is it taking so long?
The Feb 2023 date is a footnote attached to a news item announcing the new technology. I have no idea how they intend to roll this out or how valid that date is - might be watching their back or last phase of the roll out. They are calling it "Beta". Most software companies beta test using chosen volunteers - usually power users - but clearly that is not the case here. Nobody was asked. I suggest you message Ancestry and ask if you can have access. They can only say no. As you can see from this thread some find it accurate, others less so.
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Thanks for this information. I may take your advice and message Ancestry and see what they say.
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Thanks for this information. I may take your advice and message Ancestry and see what they say.
Let us know how you get on. There are a few of my matches that I exchange emails with that are in the same position.
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I came on RootsChat to post to query why I don't have access to this new Side View feature, but most of my cousins have. I was wondering if I needed to do something but was dismayed to read a previous post saying that some people will not be able to access this until February 2023. How can it be so random and why is it taking so long?
Genie, I haven't got it yet either, if it's any consolation , nor has the other kit I manage. Perhaps we are in the minority ? ( it seems that most here on rootschat have it ?)
On the bright side feb 2023 is only a few months away, so not a long wait ,if that Feb date is correct.
Kind regards
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Please, could anyone tell me how I correct an assignment to unassigned when I think they have wrongly allocated a match.
Thanks
Gadget
PS - at the moment, I just ignore the label and stick to my own findings and colour coding.
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Cell and Genie, I also have not got the latest technology which I have read so much about on this forum. It is disappointing that it is taking a while to roll out and it would be interesting to know what criteria Ancestry's is using for their customers to receive this.
Regards Kaybron
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I don't have it either.
Cris
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Cell and Genie, I also have not got the latest technology which I have read so much about on this forum. It is disappointing that it is taking a while to roll out and it would be interesting to know what criteria Ancestry's is using for their customers to receive this.
Regards Kaybron
Hi,
Who knows, but I don't think the critera is based on length of time someone has been a customer of theirs. ( I've had an annual sub with ancestry well over 10 years , around 15 years maybe, and maybe coming up to two years with my DNA )
Perhaps it's based on location ,what country you are in ,or maybe it is just pure pot luck .
Or perhaps our DNA are very, very special cases and are a total enigma to them ;D , and they need a lot more time to decipher ours lol
I am really not too bothered. I can tell which side maternal or paternal that most of my matches are from by colour coding.
I also have the bonus of of having two parents from different countries which makes it a lot easier for me too.
Hopefully when it gets to be our turn, they may have ironed out some of the flaws with the system that some others seem to be having.
Kind regards :)
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I got the new technology quite early on in its rollout, I've been a member since 2005 and did my DNA test in December 2018. OH got the new technology about 10 days after me. He joined Ancestry in Dec 2018 when he registered his test, but his first test failed so he had to do a repeat, so didn't actually have results until almost two months after mine came.
So it doesn't seem to depend on location, our tests were registered within a few days of each other, but I joined Ancestry 13 years before he did, so long service might be the factor. The other possibility is how often you sign in. I sign in on most days, to check new matches, OH is much less frequent.
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Please, could anyone tell me how I correct an assignment to unassigned when I think they have wrongly allocated a match.
The only option I can see is from the top of the DNA Matches page, where it says, "We've split up your matches by the parent they're related to - but we're still working out a few kinks. If something doesn't look right, let us know!" followed by a link to submit feedback.
Whether they will reset the individual for you, I don't know, but as they say they are still ironing out a few glitches, if you are certain that the allocation is wrong you ought to let them know anyway, as it may help improve the system.
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Please, could anyone tell me how I correct an assignment to unassigned when I think they have wrongly allocated a match.
Thanks
Gadget
PS - at the moment, I just ignore the label and stick to my own findings and colour coding.
Gadget, I think it is the system. Since sideview I have reassigned some of my unassigned matches as I knew which side they were on. However, despite the fact that my matches have been the subject of 2 updates since I originally had the feature these formally unassigned matches have steadfastly remained in the unassigned category - despite the fact that it says that updates are pending.
I think therefore it is not that you can't unassign them but that the system is not taking any notice of the fact that you have.
May be wrong though - perhaps someone else has an idea.
Pheno
PS if they are incorrectly assigned why do you want to unassign them - why not reassign to the other side?
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I don't have the new technology either. However, for the past week or so there has been a tag on 'DNA matches' from the DNA drop down list which says 'updated'.
It's there whether I have new matches or not, so I don't think it is that, but there doesn't seem to be any other reason for the claim that my DNA matches have been updated.
Does anyone know what it means?
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Please, could anyone tell me how I correct an assignment to unassigned when I think they have wrongly allocated a match.
I don't think there is a way to do that at the moment. As it is a valid option then it really is a bug in the software. I have reported it using their link.
I and others have noticed that in some cases where an assignment has been made the edit relationship button cannot be used to assign to the other side. The other side option is missing. In other cases all three options are available. I thought this was also a bug and reported it but I am beginning to suspect it is intentional. In all my higher level matches that have been assigned the other side option is missing. Moving down to lower level of matches all three options are available.
Can anyone confirm/disprove this theory?
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Yesterday I spent time going through matches starting with paternal ones. It was quite easy to put most of them into the groups I've created.
Then started maternal side. One 3rd cousin of my father who cannot be related to my mother appeared in her matches but was easily able to shift them to correct side.
However, when looking at some of as yet unknown paternal matches (about 15 or so probably) one name kept coming up as a mutual match on my mother's side. Suspect from brief look he should be a paternal match so will have to investigate further.
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Mine has just gone live here in Aus, just a few hours ago. Yay!
( to the others who still haven't got it yet, they should send you an email when they have updated yours, I had an email in this morning when mine went live )
They Seem to have my matches assigned correctly. I haven't scrolled through them all obviously ,but what I can see they are 100% definetely correct on all the ones I have scrolled past, mine's pretty easy to know if they are correct.
What is interesting that I have over 10 thousand more matches on My mother's side than my father's side
The other kit I manage ( my child's ) hasn't been done yet , and yet he did the test months and months before I did .
Random pot luck I'd say.
Kind regards
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Then started maternal side. One 3rd cousin of my father who cannot be related to my mother appeared in her matches but was easily able to shift them to correct side.
However, when looking at some of as yet unknown paternal matches (about 15 or so probably) one name kept coming up as a mutual match on my mother's side. Suspect from brief look he should be a paternal match so will have to investigate further.
The reason that I raised the question was similar to this.
The match had been allocated to the maternal side but there was no evidence in the tree that this was so. Indeed, the tree showed a geography that was more like my father's line. The shared matches were classified as unassigned or paternal.
Because of this I wanted to place the match into unassigned while I investigated further. This was impossible.
It would be more scientifically credible if Ancestry produced a chromosome browser, as other sites do, so that their allocations can be properly tested.
Gadget
PS - as I said before, I have made notes on the record and colour coded as 'unknown relationship'
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My first cousin, maternal side, has been allocated to both sides on my results but correctly shown as maternal side on my sister's. I have been unable to change it.
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Morning, Just wondering has anyone got a similar problem as me? They’ve sorted my matches as, paternal 7 matches & maternal 522 matches a bit better but not great and unassigned over 10,000 matches.
I have spent many hours sorting my matches, building trees, researching, even adding my match's lines to my tree to figure out the connections.
My parents are from different countries Mum’s side northern England/Scotland (east coast) & Spain, Dad’s side, southern Ireland mainly (east coast), Dublin, and Wicklow area’s. I just can’t understand why there are only 7 on my Dad’s side!
I left feedback with Ancestry and told them i thought there was a problem with my results. I had a week off from Ancestry when i went back to it on Saturday and found i had sideview removed from my account and from the other DNA accounts i manage!
I don’t mind my account having sideview removed as it quite clearly had problems, but the other accounts were fine and looked correct!
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I've just noticed this new feature. I have matches that I know for definite are paternal (match with trees and common ancestors) but there now suggesting in red that they are maternal matches even though there common ancestor link is through my father? It's also swapped round my ethnicity inheritance! This now doesn't make sense as I've got Portuguese and Scottish which can only come from my father my mother's family tree well researched are from the Midlands for 100s of years.
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When I first got sideview, it labelled them Parent 1 and parent 2, I had to manually identify which parent was mother and which was father, which was easy from my close cousin matches. My ethnicity is pretty similar on both sides anyway, so I couldn't have told which was which from that alone. OH still has his labelled parent 1 and parent 2 because he hasn't bothered to identify them as maternal and paternal.
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I've contacted ancestry to explain how they've allocated some matches to the wrong parent. Some of my matches have more than one common ancestor link to my paternal side and they've still been allocated maternal.
Ancestry have said they can't tell with some matches so they just assign one or the other or leave it unassigned. So if people are seeing matches with paternal or maternal highlighted in red telling you it's the wrong parent just beware. There's still loads of quessing going on at ancestry
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Got my SideView yesterday. I can tell that it still needs to make a few adjustments. It doesn't want to allocate my mother's test result (labelled 'mother' by Ancestry in my list of matches) to my maternal side.
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My child's has just been updated too now.
They seem to have most of his matches correct.
I wonder if the ones that they are struggling with is because the two parents have very similar ethnicities and it's hard to tell them apart .mine ( and my son's)
are easy to tell who are parent 1 and parent 2, so perhaps that's why our assigned matches are.correct so far.
The only one that they may have got incorrect on my son is marked "both sides" by them,and the match has a tree , which most of their relatives seem.to be from Pontypridd mostly (my husband has no known relatives from pontypridd - but I do)..
The shared matches that this match and my.son shares ( only 1 shared match between them - and I am not a shared match).
- hard to say as I do share a few.( low cms.to me) matches with my son that are 100% my husband's family( which I shouldn't do, for.example my husband's first cousin.daugher that I share a low .match with ) on My Heritage, and those same.people are not on Ancestry. They tested.with my heritage only.
Kind Regards
Ps I've just looked again - and yes they have a few incorrect on my son on the ones they have assigned to "Paternal side" ( his maternal assigned ones are 100% correct.so far)I am scrolling through a few of his paternal ones now, and one of his matches I recognise to be on my side.(my son's maternal side .)
- but rhe match is 100% on my side as I share dna with him and.share matches with the shared matches too ) . son is 29cm to him, I am 23cm to the match .
This if anything , ( even if they somwhow think the match is on my son's paternal side ) should have been marked " both sides" by ancestry and not Paternal.
Perhaps this match is really on both sides and he is also on my son's paternal side,, BUT they should have not marked this as "Paternal" like they have done so, as I clearly share DNA with this match too ( my husband hasn't tested ) - they should have either marked it Maternal or Both sides and not Paternal side.
Argh !! so scrap what I said about my son's being correct. Lol
Only mine seem to be 100% correct - I really can't fault them with mine , I can only fault them on some of my son's paternal matches( I've only just begun to look through my son's )
Ps excuse the typos ,I am typing on.my phone keyboard
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(http://)Go to your list of DNA matches and the top you can now select by parent, all matches or by location
Reply #8 Thank you... but on mine it ONLY says "all matches" & "by location"
Does one need the massively expensive premium membership to get the feature?
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Actually ,my own aren't 100% correct ( I previously stated in my last post that mine are 100% correct ) as I've just found one that I know for 100% sure that is incorrect in my matches too- My third cousin is incorrectly assigned .
I can also see a few more in my son's that are assigned incorrectly the more I look through his( I've been going through his most of the day, as they've only just released his) , but I thought they had all of mine 100% correct, how wrong was I ? Lol
Mine are so very easy for them to assign correctly with most of the close matches, as I have very close family members that have tested ,and I also have the added benefit of my parents are from two different countries ( my son's should be even easier than mine considering I have tested lol)
How I missed this one incorrectly labelled in my matches - I never know!. They have labelled my known third cousin on my Maternal side as Paternal - in red writing ( I assigned her correctly ages ago as Maternal -.I don't appreciate the red writing by ancestry lol). They have her correct on my son's, being his maternal side(me), but they are definetely not correct with me and her, which of my two parent's side she is on.
She is from my maternal side for 100%, sure! Her great grandfather is my great grandfather's brother on my mother's side.
Kind regards
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(http://)Go to your list of DNA matches and the top you can now select by parent, all matches or by location
Reply #8 Thank you... but on mine it ONLY says "all matches" & "by location"
Does one need the massively expensive premium membership to get the feature?
Hi,
You will eventually get the new feature which you can select by parent, maternal and paternal ( or parent 1 and 2) to your matches, or both , regardless if you have a free account with them or a sub.
Some people have had it for weeks on end, whilst others still haven't got it yet. I've only have had the feature since the 24th Oct, my son only has got the feature today.
Apparently they hope to have rolled it out to everyone by Feb next year. There seems no rhyme or reason to me why some get it before others . It seems like pure pot luck.
Kind regards
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There seems no rhyme or reason to me why some get it before others . It seems like pure pot luck.
Kind regards
It is still in beta testing, so will be being rolled out in batches. Issues should be expected, and should be reported, as it will help Ancestry to increase precision. Although as a software algorithm that has to make some assumptions, it may never be 100% accurate.
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Thank you Cell + Phil. Fingers crossed.
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There seems no rhyme or reason to me why some get it before others . It seems like pure pot luck.
Kind regards
Issues should be expected, and should be reported, as it will help Ancestry to increase precision. Although as a software algorithm that has to make some assumptions, it may never be 100% accurate.
Regarding accuracy, you would think when a parent and their child tests , and both that parent and child match to the same person ( and on top of that all shared matches between that match are also from the same parent's side )- the computer programmes would assign that to the correct parent and not make really odd assumptions and mark it to the other parent that hasn't even tested.
Even if it thinks it is the other parent side for some obscure, odd weird reason, they should mark it as" Both sides " and not as the other parent who hasn't tested at all.
They are way off with a couple of my son's, when they need not be.
They have a couple of my son's that are marked as his paternal side with this new feature - when they are most certainly, genetically my side ( his maternal side)
Kind regards
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It seems that this facility has been removed. No option on the top of the Matches page for me now.
It seems that the Beta testing might have run into problems or ??
Gadget
Add - is it now under the Groups category?
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It's gone for me also, Gadget, but was there Friday. Closest I can see at the moment is under DNA matches- under button for Groups comes Shared matches with mother? buy kit and Shared matches with father? buy kit. I DID BUY A KIT :-\
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Still there for me. The only difference is that when I logged in just now a large pop-up box opened saying "We've split your matches by maternal and paternal...". I clicked through that and it all looks the same as before - "By parent (Beta), All matches or By Location".
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Hi Gadget
It is still on the matches page for me. Worth remembering that it did come and go in its early stages.
William
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Hi Gadget
It is still on the matches page for me. Worth remembering that it did come and go in its early stages.
William
Thanks, William.
I did find it a few minutes after I posted and added to my post.
It did seem fewer in each category with that option than before and doesn't give the unassigned, etc. so I'm wondering if it is using my allocation rather than their 'guesstimate' :-\
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It did seem fewer in each category with that option than before and doesn't give the unassigned, etc. so I'm wondering if it is using my allocation rather than their 'guesstimate' :-\
Still on the matches page for me too. 8,882 maternal, 6,796 paternal and 5,170 unassigned. Pretty much what I had before from memory.
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I think you're special, Phil ;D
I've checked in the Groups again and there's no unassigned as well. My matches seem to have reverted to the previous version.
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I've had a quick look at my colour coded listings and they are showing far more cases as paternal /maternal
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Had another looks and it's changed but not to way it was until today. Now under Groups I get-
New matches (99), Mother's side (199) and father's side (122) then colour coded groups.
However, the numbers don't add up-
Mother's side- 199 matches but my yellow group (her father's family) shows 309 and brown group (her paternal grandmother's family shows 9 and blue group (her paternal grandfather's family) shows 38. So, 309 + 9 + 38 = 356 not 199!
Father's side- 122 matches but his groups 134 + 12 + 45 + 23 = 214 not 122!
Note: for all of the above matches in groups I have selected paternal and maternal side. I know that for at least the group with only 7 matches I should have more known relatives (have selected as maternal match and selected relationship).
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Yours sounds like my version, aghadowey. They seem to have reverted to the old system for some of us.
I recall that this feature was rolled out in batches so maybe they're withdrawing it in batches.
Match page now reverted to this:
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Yes, that's the same as mine, Gadget. Really annoyed that groups seem to be mucked up since I've spent a lot of time trying to sort matches in order to figure out the unknown connections.
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Just logged out of my account and into one for another test that I manage. He's got the same pop-up box that I had just now, and after dismissing it everything looks the same with paternal and maternal matches.
Perhaps they are preparing you to get the same pop-up Gadget!
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I logged out na logged in again but still get the same. Also, I tried 4 other tests that I have full access to and they're all showing the same.
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It is still all there for me.
That pop up appeared on my screen a couple of days ago. I clicked on the show me and the heading at the top of the page seemed to change to a German version as it said something like" DNA von William D". When I went back in later it had reverted to normal. These may be just gremlins while they roll something out.
Incidentally there is no point in my colour coding anything. I am colour blind and if I attempted to use that facility it would just cause total confusion!
William
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I can't find it anywhere, which is disappointing.
On Ancestry, my closest match is a known second cousin, so I was able to make the attribution to a parent.
It so happened I then recognised another, most unusual name, which could be linked to the same parent, and in my ignorance I thought, happy days. Now all the programme needs to do is split my matches. Sorted.
But no such luck. :'( Hey ho!
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It's gone for me too, under the groups, however I now have maternal and paternal side but with only a few in each 65 maternal and 161 paternal. :-(
They mainly appear to be ones with either a shared ancestor and/or that I have actually put on my tree and linked to DNA matches although there are a couple that are neither
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After reading this thread, I looked in "groups" to find my maternal and paternal as assigned by Ancestry. The number of matches had shrunk considerably on both sides.
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Mine's disappeared too! Back to a single list, but as parents both tested shows father's side or mother's side. Very strange - maybe too many complaints?
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I too no longer have it via the website, but it's still showing via mobile app.
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It looks as if the majority of us have lost the facility.
Phil, how were you viewing it - android or ?
I used Firefox and Chrome.
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Phil, how were you viewing it - android or ?
I used Firefox and Chrome.
Chrome on Win 10. I've just opened the Android mobile app and I still have it there as well, can filter by maternal, paternal, both sides or unassigned.
The android app has the same background image as the pop-up box I got in Chrome, with the two circles moving away from and back towards each other.
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They must be re-rolling it out then. :-\
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After reading this thread, I looked in "groups" to find my maternal and paternal as assigned by Ancestry. The number of matches had shrunk considerably on both sides.
The number labelled has shrunk to just the ones I labelled myself, all the ones labelled by Ancestry have disappeared. I can search by Mother's side and father's side through groups. But have lost the ability to search for matches labelled both sides (labels I added myself but Ancestry wanted to label only father's side - the relationship on father's side is closer, mother's side is 7th cousin)
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They must be re-rolling it out then. :-\
I'm not so sure Gadget. This morning, mine and the person whose test I manage have all disappeared too ???
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Yes, same here. All disappeared on all three kits I manage. Their communication on the release and now withdrawal of this feature has been very poor.
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I've just completed one of their questionnaires on this. It's under the heading of this paper link:
https://support.ancestry.co.uk/s/article/DNA-Matches-Split-Up-By-Parent
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I lost my side view as well :(
I'm sure it was there last night which made me think it was something to do with just getting my wife's DNA results through..... seems as though it's a coincidence.
I hope they don't remove it, I found it quite useful!
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My was there up to last night, haven't looked today yet.
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It was there for me this morning but has now gone. The overview is still there and, given it is Beta, I feel it will return 'ere long.
William
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A few posts on Reddit indicating it was withdraw to some users 3 days ago. As Millmoor says, it was still in beta, so either they are preparing to rollout a new version, or have decided it doesn't work reliably...
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It would be a shame to lose it if the reason was that it wasn't 100% reliable. All of my verified common ancestors / thrulines were correct. I did find a few of the shared matches coming up with what appeared to be a rogue "mother's side" when the match being shared was a definite "father's side" (and vice versa). But these were matches with no tree or not enough of one to verify that Ancestry had actually got it wrong. I do have one definite "both sides" (assigned by me), possibly if I had pursued those two lines, I could have rationalised the apparent rogues. But with all Ancestry's assignments gone now, I'll never know.
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Yes its gone from my Wife’s and my own results.
I would expect its due to an update of the algorithm that they use.
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It's gone on the ones I manage too
I hope it comes back as I was finding it useful
I wish I'd given some positive feedback maybe they only heard from people having problems
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I still have SideView on both of the tests I manage ???
My father's was very accurate with the majority of matches assigned (22000 out of 23000) and correctly too; my mother's was awful, with hardly any matches assigned (less than 1000 out of more than 13000) and the ones that were were not correct!
Queenie :)
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Just checked and mine has reappeared!
William
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so has mine ! Must have been in the last two hours
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Its come back with same mistakes :-\
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Just checked and mine has reappeared!
William
Mine's just come back too! Maybe it was an update?
I note the unassigned matches say pending update.
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Back with me too - with those mobiles ::)
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Yes it's back but I ve discovered that if you choose a parent and then suspect there may be a match to both sides you can alter to both sides but can't change back to unassigned
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Yep, mine is back too.
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There must be some glitches as my matches page is now in German ???
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I had almost forgotten that Ancestry was in some unidentified foreign language the other day!
By parent Beta feature now back for me at the moment-
How did we do?
This feature is new. We've split up your matches by the parent they're related to - but we're still working out a few kinks. If something doesn't look right, let us know!
Submit feedback
1 match under 'both sides' and when I checked further they and I have no shared matches.
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Whilst we have our sideview system back it still looks to be deeply flawed.
Looking though the Unassigned this morning I found that out of the highest twenty cM matches many could be assigned to Paternal or Maternal simply via using the Shared matches.
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Whilst we have our sideview system back it still looks to be deeply flawed.
Looking though the Unassigned this morning I found that out of the highest twenty cM matches many could be assigned to Paternal or Maternal simply via using the Shared matches.
I agree, Biggles.
I spent ages doing my own assignments, with the correct relationship level, and now I'm not sure which are mine and which are theirs. This is especially so with 'both sides' and 'unassigned'.
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I spent ages doing my own assignments, with the correct relationship level, and now I'm not sure which are mine and which are theirs. This is especially so with 'both sides' and 'unassigned'.
Are the ones you assigned not contained in the groups custom labelled? There are three for maternal, paternal, both sides. If I click on the i icon alonside the relationship a tool-tip appears saying this was a relationship I selected.
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Whilst we have our sideview system back it still looks to be deeply flawed.
Looking though the Unassigned this morning I found that out of the highest twenty cM matches many could be assigned to Paternal or Maternal simply via using the Shared matches.
I agree, Biggles.
I spent ages doing my own assignments, with the correct relationship level, and now I'm not sure which are mine and which are theirs. This is especially so with 'both sides' and 'unassigned'.
I went though all of my top 100 Maternal and 100 Paternal and added a Coloured group for each as applicable to those who I knew for sure, Pink for ladies Red for guys.
Previously when I had created a proven branch to a Match I use the Note feature to add the name(s) of the Ancestor(s) we have in Common plus I add the DNA Match’s actual Birth Name so User name Joe90 becomes:- Fred Smith & Eve Jones - Joseph Baker
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I had almost forgotten that Ancestry was in some unidentified foreign language the other day!
By parent Beta feature now back for me at the moment-
How did we do?
This feature is new. We've split up your matches by the parent they're related to - but we're still working out a few kinks. If something doesn't look right, let us know!
Submit feedback
1 match under 'both sides' and when I checked further they and I have no shared matches.
I've got an odd 'both sides' as well.
My sister and two nieces are there so I should have three 'both sides'
My sister has me her daughter and niece so should also have three 'both sides'
but we both have four 'both sides' and they aren't the same person.
My one is JR 15cM with and unlinked tree of only three people
and my sister's is TW 19cM with no tree.
and running a name search on both gives no result on the 'other' persons matches.
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I am somewhat surprised to find I don't have any 'both sides' since I have a couple of matching groups I have identified, where different individuals within those groups also match either maternal or paternal matches
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Grogrocett
You can add " both sides " yourself
If they are assigned to one parent or unassigned could just mean the connection to other side isn't strong enough to you to show up automatically
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Grogrocett
You can add " both sides " yourself
If they are assigned to one parent or unassigned could just mean the connection to other side isn't strong enough to you to show up automatically
Prior to last weeks removal and replacement of Sideview, I had Maternal, Paternal, Both Sides and Unassigned headings on the main DNA matches screen. Both Sides no longer shows since the update. It only contained my brother, who shares about 2700 cM with me.
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You're right I only have both sides showing for my nephew on his profile now
no both sides groups
Now but I can still add to " both sides' if I go into edit relationships on profile have choice of father's side mother's side or both.