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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Sandyq on Sunday 25 September 22 14:33 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find the parents of Mary A Pickering who married Robert Arnold at Market Bosworth in 1853, from subsequent census's Mary gives her birthplace as Shackerstone born c1832.
I can see from 1841 census a Mary Pickering aged 8 with parents William and Anna at Shackerstone,
but the parents ages don't seen compatible with ages of children.
William Pickering 30
Anna Pickering 25
Hannah " 11
William 10
Mary 8
There are a couple of family trees on Ancestry which have William Pickering marrying Ann Peck
at Kirby Malloryin 1824, which would make them mere children when they married.
1851 census shows William as 42 and Ann as 53
1861 " " " 54 " " " 65
So do I assume that the ages of William and Ann on the 1841 census are incorrect?
How do you think I can progress ?
Thank you in advance
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Do you have the marriage certificate between Mary A and Robert, to confirm Mary’s father’s name?
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No, I don't yet have the mrriage certificate for Mary A and Robert
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Sorry, I’ve edited to correct the wrong groom’s name in my previous post.
I can’t see any baptism for Mary A Pickering either from Shackerstone, or from the wider area with parents William and Ann, so I’d be reluctant to assume this is your one. I think you need the certificate.
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Yes I think I'll have to send for that.
I am doing this for a friends father so am trying to keep spend to a minimum.
If the certificate does state William as her father I'm still not sure about the age confusion.
iThe William and Anna on the 1841 census are the same couple as the 1851 and 1861 entries.
Son William 11 on 1841 was with them in 1851, and their daughter Hannah who was with them in 1841 married Joseph Foster in 1851, and their son Joseph was with his grandparents William and Ann in 1861.
Ann was shown as 25 in 1841, yet 53 ten years later and 65 twenty years on
Very puzzling
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I'm back home so have access to more resources. I've found the non-conformist baptism of a Mary Ann Pilkington, dob 4 Oct 1831; she was baptised in 1837, parents Richard and Ann (nee Palmer), but the family lived in Burbage which is about 12 miles from Shackerstone. Another one to put in the mix, perhaps, but the distance might be a bit offputting.
(edited later -- ignore this, see post further down page!)
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I've found a copy of Hannah Pickering's marr cert (to Joseph Foster, in Shackerstone, in 1851). Hannah said she was 23, and father's name was William Pickering.
In the 1851 and 1861 censuses, William says his birthplace was Hugglescote; Ann's was Coleorton. William's age does vary quite a lot but Ann was older than he was (allegedly) in the 1851 and 61 censuses; and the age was supposed to be more exact in these than in the 1841 census.
With the variation in William's age, it's difficult to search for a baptism, but there isn't one in Hugglescote that's immediately leaping out at me.
I can't find William, Hannah or Mary Ann's baptisms.
Particularly with Ann being older than William, I wonder if they were not actually William's children but his stepchildren, and were therefore baptised under a different name. Maybe Ann was a widow, and brought the children with her into her new marriage? Or maybe she was still married, so never actually married William in the first place? Stranger things have happened.
Cancel that! I've found them!
29 June 1828 - Hannah PICKERING at Normanton le Heath
27 June 1830 - William PICKREN
18 Mar 1832 - Mary PICKREN
1 May 1836 - Elizabeth PICKRIN
25 March 1838 - Elizabeth PICKERING
---- all at Shackerstone, except for Hannah. All to William by his wife Ann. William a labourer, abode Shackerstone.
I think the ages on the 1841 were wishful thinking.
The GRO index suggests a MMN of Jacques for the birth of Elizabeth PICKRING in the Market Bosworth district in the right quarter of 1838.
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and ----- there was a marriage between William Pickering and Ann Jacques at Breedon on the Hill on 18 April 1828. Both were "of the liberty of Worthington", both made their mark, witnesses were John Jacques and Elizabeth Ridgeway. Neither banns nor marriage certificate make any mention of either of them being young enough to need parental consent.
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There was an Ann Jaques baptised on 31st August 1800 in Coleorton to Samuel and Catherine.
It seems to be the family of my wife's step-mother and the surname has variations Jaquis and Jaquiss.
If the same family, Samuel Jaquiss married Catherine Steward on 16th October 1786 in Breedon.
There is also a Hannah Jaques on 18th April 1802 in Coleorton to James and Eliza.
A Samuel Jaquis was baptised on 15th May 1763 in Coleorton, to Philip and Mary, and a Philip on 21st August 1726 to William and Elizabeth.
Ann had siblings:-
Samuel on 17th June 1787 who married Jane Barkby in Coleorton on 17th June 1809
Mary on 5th April 1789
Amey on 31st October 1790
Phillip on 18th March 1792
Catherine on 21st June 1806 - married Abraham Brooks on 26th December 1826 in Coleorton
John on 26th November 1809 - probably one of the witnesses to Ann's marriage
There are trees on Ancestry with the above but don't have the marriage of Ann.
David
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I did notice on FreeREG a James/Mary Pick** bapt children in Shacklestone in a similar time frame.
1841 Census has him born c 1801 but he died before 1851 Census.
PICKERING, JAMES age 47
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH Volume 15 Page 117
(c 1798)
Possible Brother for William?
Also on 1841 Census page for James and family are some Jaques
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There was also a Samuel Pickering, mmn Jaques, born Q4 1939 in Mkt Bosworth District, but sadly also his death in Q4 of the same year.
David
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Thank you so much Annie, Trish and David.
Which site did you get the info from Annie, and where did you see copy of Hannah's marriage certificate?
I use Ancestry and Familysearch, but am wondering which other sites I should be looking at.
Lots for me to go now, thank you again
Kind regards
Sandra
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Another free site is www.freereg.org.uk :)
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Findmypast has all of the details and is probably the best site for Leicestershire.
David
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Thank you both, I tend to alternate subscriptions between Ancestry and Find my Past, and at the moment I'm with Ancestry
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Definitely Findmypast for Leicestershire records (although I prefer ancestry more generally).
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The only baptism I can find for a William Pickering, b 1805-1809 in the Hugglescote area, was baptised in Packington (six miles away) in 1815, although it gives his birth as 1809. Also siblings John, b 1811, and Ann on the same day, children of William and Ellen.
The only marriage that fits was on 29th December 1800 to an Eleanor Betteridge in Measham. She was probably baptised on 23rd December 1782, daughter of William and Sarah. There was another in 1767, also to William and Sarah, but she died in 1777.
There are other children, but all in Packington.
David
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Thank you all so much for giving of your time and expertise, really really appreciated
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William was probably buried in Shackerstone in 1876, and that gives age as 67, so yob 1809. (Though that William's abode at the time of death was Newton Burgoland).
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I have the Parish Registers for Market Bosworth, didn't find anything for Pickering.
But there were 4 Jacques children baptised in 1845 to a William and Mary Jacques:
Emma Jacques F CHR 26 JAN 1845 William Mary Age looks like 11, f gardener
Harriett Jacques F CHR 26 JAN 1845 William Mary Age 9, f gardener
William Jacques M CHR 26 JAN 1845 William Mary age 7, f gardener
Elizabeth Jacques F CHR 26 JAN 1845 William Mary
Many thanks
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Many thanks for that Zakerias
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William Pickering 1801 is possibly my 4th G Grandfather.
My Grandmother was Alma Joan Pickering, Parents Thomas Pickering and Lillian Jones.