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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: daisy1942 on Sunday 18 September 22 18:37 BST (UK)
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HJi,
Has anyone here researched the Cassenet family? I am interested in any information to enlarge the knowledge below:
Peter Vincent Cassenet (PVC) was born to Peter Pierre Cassenet (1740 -1811) and Jeanne M Lapierre.
Pierre Cassenet was born around 1740 Nancy, Meurthe-et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died about 1811 New Orleans, Louisiana, USA. I have a copy of the Wills and Probate record dated 18 Jul 1811. Pierre had a brother Charles Cassenet born 1742. Jeanne M Lapierre was born circa 1742 Saone et Loire and died New Orleans circa 1818
Peter Vincent Cassenet had a brother Jean Baptiste Cassenet born circa 1772 Nancy, Meuthe et Moselle.
Peter Vincent Cassenet married Ann Dean in Shoreditch London 19 August 1799 died in London 17 June 1848.
How, when and why did the family leave France? Had they fallen foul of the Revolution? Many years back i found a detailed biography of either Peter Pierre Cassenet or his son Peter Vincent. Sadly a computer crash lost this information for me. Therefore, any information gratefully received!!
Thanks all!
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Have you seen this:
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Ann_Dean_(11)
and the link to Peter Vincent Cassanet gives you a biography.
Sorry, the link doesn't appear to work but if you go to the WeRelate website you can seach for Ann Dean and/or Peter Vincent Cassanet, if you haven't already done so.
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Also mentioned here:
https://www.geneanet.org/archives/ouvrages?action=detail&book_type=livre&livre_id=745021&page=2&name=CASSANET&with_variantes=1
and here:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5720245h.image.r=CASSANET.f88.hl
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Hello,
I am a bit skeptical on this one. How do you know the names of his parents ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY73-WV7?i=4&cc=1388197
Burial on June 27th 1811
and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3SL-63XP-3?cc=4234528&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6ZL2-NRBJ
Native of San Miguel Vitla, France.
He was a slave owner.
Jean Marie LAPEYRE is a man and the curator to his estate. No mention of a wife, nor children
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Hi David,
There are a number of people researching the name Cassenet on Ancestry. Several list the names of the Peter Vincent as above.
I am curious to know how when and why the family left france
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Hello,
I am a bit skeptical on this one. How do you know the names of his parents ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY73-WV7?i=4&cc=1388197
Burial on June 27th 1811
and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3SL-63XP-3?cc=4234528&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6ZL2-NRBJ
Native of San Miguel Vitla, France.
He was a slave owner.
Jean Marie LAPEYRE is a man and the curator to his estate. No mention of a wife, nor children
The first link leads to a letter where Lapeyre, friend of Pierre Cassanet who died "ab intestat "( without having made a will), owning no house , only a slave boy of 8 or 9 year's old and a few poor clothes ), asks for permission for winding up the estate.
Louisiana was a french territory at that time.
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Hi,
Ancestry has never been a reliable source of information, unless it's based on actual records and let me guess those family trees aren't linked to a single French record, are they ?
Back to the UK, what does his marriage record say ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZGDD-TD6Z
Does his burial record mention his age ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CFX3-MP6Z
According to his family name, he is more likely to have come from the Western part of France.
Someone mentioned Brittany as a possible place of origin
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/K8P8-5YP
"Place of birth may possibly be Nantes, Brittany, France. According to papers belonging to the family of Doctor Thomas Hodgkin who was a pupil of Peter Vincent Cassanet, Peter was originally from Brittany before coming to London at the time of the French Revolution."
The deep roots are probably in Aquitaine.
Do you have DNA matches in France ?
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I read he knows Latin well and he got married quite late in life.
Those two things make me think of a priest.
Brittany was both a very Catholic and royalist area.
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CASSENET + Brittany + Priest
Mille prêtres du Morbihan face à la Révolution: 1789-1802 - Page 261books.google.fr › books
André Moisan · 1999 · Extraits
TROUVÉ À L'INTÉRIEUR – PAGE 261
45- Pierre CASSENET - Ce vannetais , susceptible d'être interné à la date du 19 juin 1792 ( ADM , L 1455 ) , prend un passeport pour l'Espagne peu de mois après ( L 332 ) . On le dit acolyte , non encore prêtre et il est porté comme ..
So here we have a Pierre CASSENET, from Vannes, and he is not a priest yet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acolyte
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Vannes, Saint-Salomon parish
Baptism record of Pierre Vincent CASSENET, born to Augustin CASSENET, master joiner, and Jeanne GUENARD
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/28
on May 1763 4th
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Marriage record of Augustin CASSANET and Jeanne GUENARD in 1762
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/18
He is a native of Saint-Macaire (Gironde, Aquitaine)
https://gw.geneanet.org/breuxpatricia?lang=fr&pz=patricia+nadia+sonia&nz=breux&p=augustin&n=cassanet
https://gw.geneanet.org/gasquetflorence?n=cassanet&oc=&p=augustin
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I have a copy of Peter Vincent's marriage certificate in my tree. I have a picture of his tombstone in London. He is listed in the 1841 census and there it states he was born in foreign parts. However, here his name is written as Capuret. All the records are in a relatively small area of London
I am simply asking for any earlier information about this man
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Marie Josephe CASSANET in 1764
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/37
François Marie CASSANET in 1765
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/52
François Marie CASSENET in 1769
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/113
Marie Anne CASSENET in 1774
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/264
The father is away. The eldest son signed. The signature is pierre vincent cassenet
Jean Marie LE MERLE and Marie Anne CASSANETTE
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vtaff882d6c7ca1de14/daogrp/0/17
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Marie François CASSANET
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5784171j.image.r=CASSANET.f319.hl
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Thanks David, it will take me some time with the writing style and french I have not used for some 40 years to digest all this information!
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Burial Françoise GUENAR, niece of Augustin CASSANET
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta62b4fe1d6408aead/daogrp/0/192
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Hi,
Ancestry has never been a reliable source of information, unless it's based on actual records and let me guess those family trees aren't linked to a single French record, are they ?
Back to the UK, what does his marriage record say ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZGDD-TD6Z
Does his burial record mention his age ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CFX3-MP6Z
According to his family name, he is more likely to have come from the Western part of France.
Someone mentions Brittany as a possible place of origin
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/K8P8-5YP
"Place of birth may possibly be Nantes, Brittany, France. According to papers belonging to the family of Doctor Thomas Hodgkin who was a pupil of Peter Vincent Cassanet, Peter was originally from Brittany before coming to London at the time of the French Revolution."
The deep roots are probably in Aquitaine.
Do you have DNA matches in France ?
Hi David,
In response to the various questions:
His marriage certificate says he married Ann Dean in St Peters Church Shoreditch on 19th August 1799 by Joseph Rose the curator and in the presence of George Lemming/s and Jeremiah Smith.
His death certificate says he died on 17 June 1848 in Upper Clacton aged 88 and describes him as being of independent means. The cause of death was certified as Bronchitis for a few days. the death was reported by his daughter Emma Martin who was present at his death. The death was registered on 22 June 1848. He is buried in Abney Park Cemetery near Stole Newington and the grave is numbered 003319.
The above information comes from records available on Ancestry, either directly from their own records or certificates posted by other family historians.
My DNA composition shows 100% Northern European. This is broken down into 49% British and Irish, 38.6% French and German (but highlights Brittany) and 4.1% Scandinavian. The remaining 8.3% is broadly north western Europe.
Daisy1942
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I am simply asking for any earlier information about this man
In order to find the earlier information you "simply" asked for (it's a brick wall we were talking about), the first thing to do it to recapitulate the verified data you have.
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Thank you for you answer.
The ethnic results aren't very helpful in your case. I know people from Brittany whose DNA results are 99 or even 100 % British and Irish on 23andme.
You should find a few French distant cousins in your list of DNA matches if you inherited one or several segments from Pierre Vincent CASSENET.
If you aren't on MyHeritage, it would be a good thing to upload your raw data there, it's the best place to find matches in France.
I can't see most of the information on Ancestry. It's behind a pay wall and it's rather expensive.
Jean René CASSENET married the same year as his brother
https://rechercher.patrimoines-archives.morbihan.fr/ark:/15049/vta49e0801252f4d430/daogrp/0/40
He was a joiner, like their father. Their grandfather Michel CASSANET was a carpenter in 1735, and the great-grandfather Jean CASSANET was a stonemason in 1730.
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Thank you to everyone for their input on the origins of Peter (Vincent) Cassanet. He was my 3x great grandfather through his daughter Emma and I had resigned myself to not knowing his French ancestry for sure. Having read the excellent biography of Dr Thomas Hodgkin, ‘Perfecting the World’, by Amalie and Edward Kass based on their research of the Hodgkin family papers, I was fairly confident that he was born in the Nantes area of Brittany and not from Nancy, Lorraine as stated on so many trees. I felt that if I could uncover the identity of F. Cassanet, a relative of Pierre Vincent, to whom Thomas Hodgkin was introduced during his medical studies in Paris, then perhaps I could trace my French ancestors. Having now started researching the children of Augustin Cassanet in Vannes, the youngest brother of Pierre is named Francois who I now know married and lived in Paris and was a professor of Latin ! Case proved I think ! Thank you again for the link to the baptism of Pierre Vincent in 1763. A wonderful find, especially as the entry doesn’t appear to be in any online indexes for the parish register.
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Amendment to my previous post done rather hurriedly…..the brackets around Vincent on the first line are placed incorrectly. I meant to write Peter (Pierre) Vincent Cassanet.
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François Marie CASSANET married Marie Louise LEFAON in 1812 in Paris.
https://www.geneanet.org/registres/view/30031/210
She was born to François LEFAON and Marie Louise LEGRAND. I guess she is the same as Marie Louise LEFAON baptized in Elbeuf-en-Braye (Seine-Maritime) on October 25th 1786. Her father was a watchmaker.
François Marie CASSANET lived for a while in Rouen
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5580275t.image.r=CASSANET.f96.hl
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https://www.google.fr/books/edition/Almanach_de_l_Universit%C3%A9_Imp%C3%A9riale_ann/_cBSAAAAcAAJ?hl=fr&gbpv=1&dq=cassanet+nogent&pg=PA89&printsec=frontcover
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Thank you David. I had found some of this information but I’m not adept to supply the web links as you do.