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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: springer5 on Friday 16 September 22 11:04 BST (UK)

Title: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Friday 16 September 22 11:04 BST (UK)
Good Morning,

John Murphy lived in Shoreditch with his family in 1851, he is a Silk Dyer, his wife Mary Anne nee Hendry was born in 1818, in St Lukes, Shoreditch, they married in 1837 at St Leonards, their children Thomas, Catherine, John and Mary Ann were born in Shoreditch, Daniel , the eldest was from Johns first marriage.

In 1861, John and Mary Ann are still in Shoreditch with their son John, though the other children are missing, and Daniels wife Bridget is there, with their newborn son John.

Daniel goes on to live in Peckham, later in life, thats where his offspring  settle, but I can't find John, the silk dyer or the children after 1861. the mother Mary Ann is in Peckham in 1881, but can't find her death.

Any help appreciated. Thankyou
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: ciderdrinker on Friday 16 September 22 11:54 BST (UK)
Hi
This could be Mary 1871
11 Scarborough St St Pancras
Annie Musgrave  married Head 37 annuitant Maidstoe Kent
Charles son 7 mths
Mary Murphy widow 54 nurse Middlesex London

Unfortunately there are a lot of John and Mary Murphys.

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: amondg on Friday 16 September 22 12:43 BST (UK)
Did they not register any of their children?

Using GRO Index I cannot see any Murphy children with mothers maiden name Hendry in Shoreditch
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 16 September 22 13:13 BST (UK)
You haven't given any relevant details for John

1851 shows birthyear 1795 & 1861 shows birthyear 1801 & birthplace Cork Ireland

Do you have them in 1871?

Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: amondg on Friday 16 September 22 21:47 BST (UK)
I think you have the wrong marriage 27 November 1836 to Mary Ann Hendry.

No children born until 1843 - none with mother's maiden name Hendry
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There is a Julia born 1838 Shoreditch mother Hendry but your family doesn't have a Julia.
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 16 September 22 21:54 BST (UK)
The 1836 marriage entry shows John Murphy as a widower & one of the witnesses was Daniel Murphy
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Sunday 18 September 22 14:55 BST (UK)
yes this is the right marriage.
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Sunday 18 September 22 14:58 BST (UK)
You haven't given any relevant details for John

1851 shows birthyear 1795 & 1861 shows birthyear 1801 & birthplace Cork Ireland

Do you have them in 1871?

no I havent found them after 1861
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: amondg on Sunday 18 September 22 16:05 BST (UK)
Do you have any birth certificates?
There are none with mothers maiden name Hendry listed, based on the names of the children in the census
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Sunday 18 September 22 16:54 BST (UK)
Do you have any birth certificates?
There are none with mothers maiden name Hendry listed, based on the names of the children in the census

no I don't though they are baptised in the Roman Catholic records on FindMyPast.
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 18 September 22 17:12 BST (UK)
March qtr 1838 Julia Murphy mmn Hendry Shoreditch 2 303
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: springer5 on Sunday 18 September 22 17:27 BST (UK)
Do you have any birth certificates?
There are none with mothers maiden name Hendry listed, based on the names of the children in the census

The Julia child you mentioned, is part of my family, I just checked the RC baptisms, her parents were John and Mary Ann Hendry.
I'm guessing she died.
Title: Re: Murphy Family Shoreditch
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 18 September 22 23:12 BST (UK)
No death on freebmd from Dec qtr 1837 to Dec qtr 1841