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I'm trying to trace my routes back to Ireland .The furthest I got was 1840 John McCrory son of the 2 in the thread title .John married Mary Maddigen ( Madden ) in Ballymena .Not sure if John had any brothers or sisters that's what i want to find out also any info on Micheal McCrory and wife Margaret Minnett Johns mum and dad . John defintley moved to Ballymena not sure if he was born there .
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I'm a bit confused. In an earlier thread (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865935.0) you asked about deciphering a
marriage entry, but as far as I can tell, the format of the entry showed that it was from Scotland. I'm guessing this was John's marriage - so what date was the marriage, and what was John's age given as? And what denomination was the marriage - it should say in the first column ('according to the rites of ....')?
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The entry for deciphering seems not to have been a marriage, so some of the above questions are irrelevant. See reply #9 below.
Then, do you have John in any censuses, which might help to confirm where he came from? It would also be a stroke of luck if there happened to be any aged relatives with him in a census. And if his parents died in Scotland after the start of civil registration in 1855, those records would help the search enormously.
I'm not saying you're wrong with Ballymena, it's just that before going very far with this we're going to need to know a bit more, including about the marriage or any other events that place him there.
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1891 census Port Glasgow
John McCrory, 50 yrs b Ireland
Mary 51 yrs b Ireland
Mary 21 yrs b Port Glasgow
Michael 19yrs b Ireland
Patrick 17 yrs b Ireland
Agnes 11 yrs b Port Glasgow
Michael’s birth 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223362.pdf
Patrick’s birth 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03200/2173392.pdf
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1881 census shows older children all born Port Glasgow.
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I'm a bit confused. In an earlier thread (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865935.0) you asked about deciphering a marriage entry, but as far as I can tell, the format of the entry showed that it was from Scotland. I'm guessing this was John's marriage - so what date was the marriage, and what was John's age given as? And what denomination was the marriage - it should say in the first column ('according to the rites of ....')?
Then, do you have John in any censuses, which might help to confirm where he came from? It would also be a stroke of luck if there happened to be any aged relatives with him in a census. And if his parents died in Scotland after the start of civil registration in 1855, those records would help the search enormously.
I'm not saying you're wrong with Ballymena, it's just that before going very far with this we're going to need to know a bit more, including about the marriage or any other events that place him there.
John was born 1840 in Ireland but moved to PortGlasgow with his family .I'm trying to trace as far back to Ireand as I can .Johns mum and dad etc .
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John and Mary had about 7 children this is one Hugh , R.I.P .
Born in Ballymena, Antrim on 18 NOV 1876 to John McCrorey and Mary Madden. Hugh McCrorey passed away on 1877 in Port Glasgow.
https://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/records/hugh-mccrorey-24-12twqqw?geo_a=r&geo_s=ca&geo_t=ca&geo_v=2.0.0&o_iid=41016&o_lid=41016&o_sch=Web+Property
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Do you have their marriage? Is that the other thread?
The children show how they were in Port Glasgow in 1860s, Ireland in 1870s and then returned to Port Glasgow by 1881.
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Do you have their marriage? Is that the other thread?
The children show how they were in Port Glasgow in 1860s, Ireland in 1870s and then returned to Port Glasgow by 1881.
I'll try and get the marriage certificate just deaths I have .I'll check on geni NI .
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Residences
Michael 1870
Parish of Newtown Crommelin. I can’t find the townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/newtown-crommelin1/
Patrick 1873
Irishomerbane https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/dunaghy/newtown-crommelin/irishomerbane/
Hugh’s birth 1876
Legagrane https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/dunaghy/newtown-crommelin/legagrane/
As John was a labourer, it looks as though he moved around within the area, rather than perhaps living at his home place.
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Just occurred to me that Michael’ birth shows ‘umerb…’ so perhaps the same as Patrick.
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Just occurred to me that Michael’ birth shows ‘umerb…’ so perhaps the same as Patrick.
Looks like Umberbeen.
Maybe the Irish name for Scotchomerbane - Umar Ban (with a county Antrim accent :D)
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/newtown-crommelin/newtown-crommelin/scotchomerbane/
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celt11 - I think I've been making assumptions about the clip from a certificate that you put in the other thread (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865935.0), and I wouldn't be at all surprised if you've been wondering what on earth I've been on about. So I'm sorry for that, and I'm glad that others have been able to make progress in spite of what I wrote.
The format of the clip you posted showed that it came from a Scottish certificate, and I wrongly assumed it was a marriage - hence my asking about denomination etc, and wondering how you had a marriage in Ballymena. When you posted later that you only had death certificates the penny dropped, because of course Scottish ones give details of both parents. Anyway, now that I'm a bit more on the ball, I hope we'll be able to take things further for you.
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celt11 - I think I've been making assumptions about the clip from a certificate that you put in the other thread (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865935.0), and I wouldn't be at all surprised if you've been wondering what on earth I've been on about. So I'm sorry for that, and I'm glad that others have been able to make progress in spite of what I wrote.
The format of the clip you posted showed that it came from a Scottish certificate, and I wrongly assumed it was a marriage - hence my asking about denomination etc, and wondering how you had a marriage in Ballymena. When you posted later that you only had death certificates the penny dropped, because of course Scottish ones give details of both parents. Anyway, now that I'm a bit more on the ball, I hope we'll be able to take things further for you.
Thanks any more info would be great .
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I have found this baptism.
The mother’s surname is different but could be similar ;)
2nd February 1840. John McRory to Michael and Margaret McNight.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633167#page/54/mode/1up
Another baptism to the same couple, same spelling, 1st October 1837, residence, Grogan.
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Margaret always seems to be McNight :-\
Marriage
21st October 1836
Michael McRory and to Margaret McNight
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633167#page/92/mode/1up
Were they Catholic? I forgot to ask.
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I have found this baptism.
The mother’s surname is different but could be similar ;)
2nd February 1840. John McRory to Michael and Margaret McNight.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633167#page/54/mode/1up
Another baptism to the same couple, same spelling, 1st October 1837, residence, Grogan.
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Margaret always seems to be McNight :-\
Marriage
21st October 1836
Michael McRory and to Margaret McNight
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633167#page/92/mode/1up
Were they Catholic? I forgot to ask.
Aye they were catholics.
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In 1881 your family are living at 7 Black Bull Close.
In the same census at 9 Black Bull Close, you have the Watson family.
Robert Watson and Susan b Port Glasgow (not sure this is correct).
There is a boarder, Sarah McCrorey b Port Glasgow too. :-\
Marriage 1870 Robert Watson and Susanna McRory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11389/8181636.pdf
Father is Michael and residence Grogan.
There is a baptism
28th February, Drumaul parish (transcribed as Merory) Susan and Margt Night.
Also
19th September 1852
Sarah McRory with parents Michael and Margaret McNight.
You can access these on catholic NLI site - Drumaul parish as earlier posts.
Scottish records might show more to see if all this relates to your family.
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In 1881 your family are living at 7 Black Bull Close.
In the same census at 9 Black Bull Close, you have the Watson family.
Robert Watson and Susan b Port Glasgow (not sure this is correct).
There is a boarder, Sarah McCrorey b Port Glasgow too. :-\
Marriage 1870 Robert Watson and Susanna McRory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11389/8181636.pdf
Father is Michael and residence Grogan.
There is a baptism
28th February, Drumaul parish (transcribed as Merory) Susan and Margt Night.
Also
19th September 1852
Sarah McRory with parents Michael and Margaret McNight.
You can access these on catholic NLI site - Drumaul parish as earlier posts.
Scottish records might show more to see if all this relates to your family.
Never knew about a Sarah but just found on Scottish people .Only knew John McCrory moved to PortGlasgow .What does this say .Think it says Micheal McCrorey father .Help convert this I can't read any .
(https://i.ibb.co/zHpRxXZ/Scotlands-People-M1911-574-00-0025-Z.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fq2w35z)
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Parents
Michael McCrorey deceased
Margaret McCrorey deceased - difficult to read but possibly McNette
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Parents
Michael McCrorey deceased
Margaret McCrorey deceased - difficult to read but possibly McNette
Found another one inless 2 Sarahs this one further back .This any easier .
(https://i.ibb.co/FDcvwqF/Scotlands-People-M1884-574-00-0040-Z.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mcdsqF3)
upload images (https://imgbb.com/)
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Not sure - different mother?
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I didn’t realise it was the same person. She looks to have given Susan as her mother on the first marriage. I don’t understand ‘McLaughlin’ though.
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Found Sarahs death certificate my only guess is she could be a niece to John ( boarder ) .It says here father Hugh and according to this calculating it with age she was born on 1848 .Does anybody know what it says when and where died what number of Glen avenue PortGlasgow ?
(https://i.ibb.co/27s3FNC/Scotlands-People-D1936-574-00-0058-Z-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0jFynt6)
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Well, that’s just confusing.
I thought Sarah might be John’s sister.
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Well, that’s just confusing.
I thought Sarah might be John’s sister.
I think you could be right he was born in 1840. Johns Dad being called Micheal though and Sarahs Hugh maybe cousins .
Do you know what that paragraph says when and were died on the bottom of the last certificate were it says Glen avenue .
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The address looks like 2 1/2 (two and a half) Glen Avenue.
I have seen similar addresses in Dublin - perhaps apartments/rooms.
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It looks as though the son informant gave the name Hugh instead of Michael. The mother’s name looks correct.
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It looks as though the son informant gave the name Hugh instead of Michael. The mother’s name looks correct.
My great uncle was called Hugh but used his middle name could be something like that .
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In 1881 your family are living at 7 Black Bull Close.
In the same census at 9 Black Bull Close, you have the Watson family.
Robert Watson and Susan b Port Glasgow (not sure this is correct).
There is a boarder, Sarah McCrorey b Port Glasgow too. :-\
Marriage 1870 Robert Watson and Susanna McRory
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11389/8181636.pdf
Father is Michael and residence Grogan.
There is a baptism
28th February, Drumaul parish (transcribed as Merory) Susan and Margt Night.
Also
19th September 1852
Sarah McRory with parents Michael and Margaret McNight.
You can access these on catholic NLI site - Drumaul parish as earlier posts.
Scottish records might show more to see if all this relates to your family.
How did you manage to find this out about the numbers of blackbull close and Sarah ? Thanks anyway .
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I searched for McCrorys in Port Glasgow and found Sarah. I had already found your family earlier and recognised the address the census.
Then lots of searching/confirmation of Catholic records etc.
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I searched for McCrorys in Port Glasgow and found Sarah. I had already found your family earlier and recognised the address the census.
Then lots of searching/confirmation of Catholic records etc.
I am interested in blackbull close .Do you know any websites with residents and numbers etc
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Black bull close PortGlasgow .Old mill building in background
(https://i.ibb.co/j8nPm7G/bbc.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Old Mill gone now though been a few yrs just ,
(https://i.ibb.co/7nGbxwB/OM.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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When i click on your second image I get the following-
"Upload and share your images.
Drag and drop anywhere you want and start uploading your images now. 32 MB limit. Direct image links, BBCode and HTML thumbnails.
Drag and drop or paste images here to upload
You can also browse from your computer or add image URLs.
JPG PNG BMP GIF TIF WEBP HEIC PDF 32 MBCLOSE
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ImgBB is a free image hosting service. Upgrade to unlock all the features."
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Can u see the image here it is .
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When i click on your second image I get the following-
"Upload and share your images.
Drag and drop anywhere you want and start uploading your images now. 32 MB limit. Direct image links, BBCode and HTML thumbnails.
Drag and drop or paste images here to upload
You can also browse from your computer or add image URLs.
JPG PNG BMP GIF TIF WEBP HEIC PDF 32 MBCLOSE
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How is that can u see the image
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There are a couple of other postcard photos when you just search ‘Black Bull Close, Port Glasgow’.
Searching Find my Past newspaper snippets, there seem to be several references - quite a place, it seems.
I have no access to the articles but you can access the snippets without being a full member.
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Can u see the image here it is .
Yes, I can see that image.
That is the way to produce an image via Attachments and other options - :D
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When i click on your second image I get the following-
"Upload and share your images.
Drag and drop anywhere you want and start uploading your images now. 32 MB limit. Direct image links, BBCode and HTML thumbnails.
Drag and drop or paste images here to upload
You can also browse from your computer or add image URLs.
JPG PNG BMP GIF TIF WEBP HEIC PDF 32 MBCLOSE
ImgBB Pro account
ImgBB is a free image hosting service. Upgrade to unlock all the features."
How is that can u see the image
??? ???
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3rd great grandas death my grandas great granda .1929 from the portglasgow express newspaper .
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3rd great granda my grandas great granda .
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upload image (https://imgbb.com/)
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Sorry, if I missed this, it became a busy thread.
What do you think of the possibility that Margaret was McNight (or similar) rather than Minnett.
Do you think that the baptism of John and the parents’ marriage is your family?
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Sorry, if I missed this, it became a busy thread.
What do you think of the possibility that Margaret was McNight (or similar) rather than Minnett.
Do you think that the baptism of John and the parents’ marriage is your family?
Not sure mate what about you any idea ?
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No idea - I just offered what I found for you to consider.
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Just bought an old postcard from ebay blackbull close 1905 .
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(https://i.ibb.co/D7yL65P/1905-Postcard-Black-Bull-Close-Port-Glasgow.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Link if anyones interested on the postcard better detail and the writing on the back .
https://picclick.co.uk/1905-Postcard-Black-Bull-Close-Port-Glasgow-234614521171.html
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Some faces in that look familiar .
(https://i.ibb.co/CnvDmrT/blbu.png) (https://ibb.co/y857d3b)
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That is a really interesting buy with the writing. Tells it all ;)
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Interesting that it was addressed to Mrs Neal Friel at Downings Larganreagh P O, Co Donegal. Date stamp appears to be JY 26 05 (July 26, 1905?).
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/mevagh/rosguill/larganreagh/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downings
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I fnother McCrorey Sushanna can anyone view mothers maiden name any better still Minnett ? Must be Johns sister born on 1851 .
(https://i.ibb.co/yWqK0wd/Scotlands-People-D1908-574-00-0015-Z.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wgf7nbG)
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That looks like Manett.
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Agree with heywood, Manett.
...and its much better to use the 'Attachments and other options' link as you see on the attached image.
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So its Michael McRory and Margaret McNight it all adds up on familysearch .Anybody know how I can find Michaels parents my 5th greatgrandad and gran. Think the townland is drummaul or randalstown .Probably born early 1800s .Michaels birth I need .On familysearch to parents Micheal McRory and Margaret McNight ive found the birth of
Sara McRory
Mary McRory
Elizabeth McRory
Daniel McRory
Susannah McRory
John my 3rd great grandad on 1840
Marriage of Susan and David Watson in Randlestown .
John Susan and Sara all moved to PortGlasgow .
Susan married David Watson then moved to the Port .
Sara married twice a McHaffe and a Stanton
John to Mary Madigan .
Any help on micheals parents or birth etc would be great .
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Think this could maybe be the Michael McCrory .
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRTD-WYS
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Think this could maybe be the Michael McCrory .
As its a one of the old death index transcripts now superseeded by the actual images on irishgen can look it up. You won't find a Michael there though, nor indexed on GRONI, as the forname is a transcription error - the death is of a MARY McCrory, District, age and page number 83 match Familysearch.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1871/020759/7282738.pdf
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The RC parish records for Drummaul (including Randalstown) only start in 1825, so if Michael McCrory and wife Margaret were baptised there before that, there are no records to search.
On 16.9.22 Heywood posted about the 21.10.1836 between Michael McRory and Margaret McNight. He lived at Ballymacilroy and she at Lisnagreggan. One of the witnesses was Ally McNight. I can see Minnett (etc) being a version of McNight, especially if you put the emphasis on the first syllable, as is the custom here. So I think that might be your couple.
I have a copy of “Sweet Drummaul” by Patrick O’Kane (publ. 1991) which is a history of the RC parish. It lists most of the adult parishioners in 1848. The name McCrory (spelling varies) is quite common. In Drummaul townland there was a Hugh McCrorey; in Magheralane John McCrory, widow McCrory, a 2nd widow McCrory; in Ballygrooby a Hugh McCrory; Sharvogues, Magherabeg, Farlough & Ballylurgan were all recorded together. There was a John McCrory and Felix McCrory in them.
There was a Daniel McNight in Creggan. (Only McNight in the parish).
John McCrory of Farlough was appointed to the Chapel Committee in 1848 (Indicating he was of some standing in the parish). They were raising money to build a tower for the church, hence all the names and activity.
So there was no Michael McCrory listed in 1848, but two widow McCrorys in Magheralane which is on the road out of Randalstown to Ballymena. So, if Drummaul parish is where he lived, perhaps Michael was dead by 1848?
The graveyard that is attached to Drummaul chapel today dates from 1848 when Lord O’Neill the local landowner donated the land. Prior to that Catholics used Milltown, Shane’s Castle graveyard, Cranfield and Drummaul Old graveyards.
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The RC parish records for Drummaul (including Randalstown) only start in 1825, so if Michael McCrory and wife Margaret were baptised there before that, there are no records to search.
On 16.9.22 Heywood posted about the 21.10.1836 between Michael McRory and Margaret McNight. He lived at Ballymacilroy and she at Lisnagreggan. One of the witnesses was Ally McNight. I can see Minnett (etc) being a version of McNight, especially if you put the emphasis on the first syllable, as is the custom here. So I think that might be your couple.
I have a copy of “Sweet Drummaul” by Patrick O’Kane (publ. 1991) which is a history of the RC parish. It lists most of the adult parishioners in 1848. The name McCrory (spelling varies) is quite common. In Drummaul townland there was a Hugh McCrorey; in Magheralane John McCrory, widow McCrory, a 2nd widow McCrory; in Ballygrooby a Hugh McCrory; Sharvogues, Magherabeg, Farlough & Ballylurgan were all recorded together. There was a John McCrory and Felix McCrory in them.
There was a Daniel McNight in Creggan. (Only McNight in the parish).
John McCrory of Farlough was appointed to the Chapel Committee in 1848 (Indicating he was of some standing in the parish). They were raising money to build a tower for the church, hence all the names and activity.
So there was no Michael McCrory listed in 1848, but two widow McCrorys in Magheralane which is on the road out of Randalstown to Ballymena. So, if Drummaul parish is where he lived, perhaps Michael was dead by 1848?
The graveyard that is attached to Drummaul chapel today dates from 1848 when Lord O’Neill the local landowner donated the land. Prior to that Catholics used Milltown, Shane’s Castle graveyard, Cranfield and Drummaul Old graveyards.
There are alot of Hugh McCrorys from the north of Ireland .I read a book about Glen McCrory the former world champion boxer .His great granda was Hugh McCrory and from county tyrone .My great granda was Hugh McCrorey as well and a boxer .McCrorey spelling changed when we came to Scotland the e .
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Another possible ancestor from the north a venerable Roman Catholic nun .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Angeline_Teresa_McCrory
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Another possible ancestor from the north a venerable Roman Catholic nun .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Angeline_Teresa_McCrory
I think you mean another possible relative as she can't be your ancestor.