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Hello,
Hoping some of you sleuths might have better luck than me on this search. I'm trying to find any history relating to a Henry Edward Seymour. I have only found him in the 1861 census RG9/2626/97 p 23. He is listed as Surgeon, born 1822 Manchester. He is married to Mary Ann. His daughter is Clara, born 1855 East Indies (?). I think there may be a DNA link to this family but I've not maanged to find any birth, marriage, census or immigration info other than 1861. Can anyone help please?
Thanks
Russ
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dont know if you have seen this marriage on Ancestry
1.9.1912 St Matthews Toxteth Park John Pallister 62 widower butcher father James Pallister (deceased) Blacksmith to Amy Constance Seymour 36 spinster housekeeper father Henry Edward Seymour (deceased) surgeon
Willow x
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Hi,
I have, yes! It is Amy's lineage I am trying to trace back. There's a possible marriage in 1862 Swansea for Henry Edward Seymour marrying Elizabeth Coles but can't find any details so may have to order it.
Regards,
Russ
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if Clara was born in the East Indies this might be why you are having trouble finding anything Amy is on the 1921 census on FindMyPast with her husband so it might be worth paying to access the image to see if it gives you any further information
I'll keep looking though
Willow x
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using the free search on the 1921 census, Amy C Palliser shows as born Liverpool 1878.
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There are some limited published trees.
Is this her in 1871 3845 /41/32
Elizabeth Seymour widow 30yrs shop woman b Cardiff
Amy C Seymour 8 months Daughter b Liverpool
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Baptisms Lancashire opc
25th August 1867
Rosa Mary Seymour daughter of Henry and Elizabeth
9th February 1874
Birth 1st August 1871 (birth shows 1870)
Amy Constance - parents John Seymour and Elizabeth
Occupation: Gas Fitter
Abode Blandford Street
GRO shows mmn Coles
Death for Rose Mary 1868
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Thanks All.
I'd seen the 1871 census and thought it a good possibility. What put me off was that Elizabeth's place of birth was listed as cardiff. Probably worth me buying the marriage cert from 1862. Amy did marry john palliser. Some how the name Smith is also connected (written on the back of her photo). Her father is listed as Henry edward seymour, Surgeon. Amy was in and out of the workhouse and gave her daughters up for adoption. I have a close DNA connection to Amy's descendent but can't figure it out. Through DNA I know the location is Orrell nr Wigan around 1860 which is why I'm trying to figure out Amy's ancestry.
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death reg
Henry Edward Seymour 41 dec qtr 1868 West Derby vol 8b pg 335
burial Anfield Cemetery 6 Dec 1868 address noted as Mitylene Street, Kirkdale.
birth reg
Amy C Seymour sept qtr 1870 Liverpool vol 8b pg 174 mmn Coles
Henry Edward can't be her biological father. Who is John, gas fitter, named on Amy's baptism? Perhaps that's where the DNA connection comes in?
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Burial Anfield Cemetery 6th December 1868
Henry Edward Seymour, 41 years, Mitylene Street, Kirkdale
No occupation shown
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sorry, heywood, I added the burial detail to my post later. and hadn't seen your post. :-[
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sorry, heywood, I added the burial detail to my post later. and hadn't seen your post. :-[
It’s easily done :)
I have tried a newspaper search but nothing at the time.
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death reg
Henry Edward Seymour 41 dec qtr 1868 West Derby vol 8b pg 335
burial Anfield Cemetery 6 Dec 1868 address noted as Mitylene Street, Kirkdale.
birth reg
Amy C Seymour sept qtr 1870 Liverpool vol 8b pg 174 mmn Coles
Henry Edward can't be her biological father. Who is John, gas fitter, named on Amy's baptism? Perhaps that's where the DNA connection comes in?
well it's not Elizabeth's next husband as he's called Robert Taylor and was a mariner. They married 22 Dec 1878 - her father is Henry Coles, bootmaker
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There is this entry
1841 1425 /15/23
Cardiff
Henry Coles 35 yrs Shoe M not born in county
Mary Coles 25 yrs not born in county
Eliza Coles 1 yr born in county
Henry Coles 5 months born in county
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Baptsms at Cardiff St John. Just to be confusing they've used various forms of Elizabeth - all born to Henry, a cordwainer/shoemaker, and Mary of Bute Street
Eliza Coles 7 Oct 1838
Betsy Coles 20 Oct 1839
Henry Coles 14 Feb 1841
Mary Ann Cole 2 Oct 1842
By 1851 Henry has died, Mary is remarried and they're living in Timberscombe nr Minehead
Henry Edwards 50
Mary Edwards 39
Betsy Cole 11 b Cardiff
Mary Cole 8 b Cardiff
Thomas Edwards 1
John Edwards 1 Mo
Thomas Pergaley 72
HO107; 1920; 223; 24;
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1861 has a possible Eliza Coles b Cardiff c 1840 in Bristol - servant to the Holesgrove family
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Thanks all this is really helpful!
For info, Amy's marriage certificate states Henry as her father but seems improbable. Bizzarley Amy also married a John Seymour who was killed at sea aboard the HMS Cobra in 1901!
This next bit is also weird - I found a marriage certificate of a Henry Seymour (mariner) marrying a Catherine Standish 13/8/1862 and Henry's father is listed a John Henry Seymour...gas fitter!
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I'm not convinced the info we have found is correct I mean what happened to Clara or Mary Ann from the 1861 census?
Could the John and Elizabeth Seymour mentioned be relatives?
Willow x
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Yes that is quite odd too. I wondered if they were flitting back and forth to foreign lands?
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I suspect they might have been I wonder if Henry was a surgeon with the army or something?
Willow x
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1911 Amy was in prison b 1876 Liverpool occupation domestic servant
Willow x
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this is one of the reasons I am unsure about the information that we have Amy gives her year of birth as 1876 but we know the actual birthdate of the Amy with parents John and Elizabeth was in 1871 even though the baptism was later
Willow x
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She was in and out of the workhouse right up until January 1911. I believe her children were given up to Bernados around 1908 and sent to Canada.
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Amy Pallister/Palliser's birth date was 1 August 1870 per the 1939 register
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FR39%2F4341%2F4341J%2F010&parentid=TNA%2FR39%2F4341%2F4341J%2F010%2F15
(transcribed by FindMyPast as Collison, street name (Haylock Street) transcribed as Harlow Street)
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John Seymour, Gas fitter:
RG09
Piece number 3688
Folio 22
Page 37
Schedule 151
also
RG12
Piece number 4005
Birth place other as transcribed DURHAM
Folio 124
Occupation Gas fitter
Page 20
Full address Lower Feversham Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Schedule 111
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It says Emma not Amy on the actual 1393 register is that why I cant find her in the 1901 census?
Willow x
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It says Emma not Amy on the actual 1393 register is that why I cant find her in the 1901 census?
1939 Register? It clearly says Amy
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Ancestry's says Emma lol but its the register list they are showing its the same one as the date of birth is the same
Willow x
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Ancestry transcribes her as Amy Callison in 1939
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/25752528:61596?
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death reg
Henry Edward Seymour 41 dec qtr 1868 West Derby vol 8b pg 335
burial Anfield Cemetery 6 Dec 1868 address noted as Mitylene Street, Kirkdale.
birth reg
Amy C Seymour sept qtr 1870 Liverpool vol 8b pg 174 mmn Coles
Perhaps these two certificates would help?
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Bizzarley Amy also married a John Seymour who was killed at sea aboard the HMS Cobra in 1901
Hmmm I'm not too sure about that. He was just 21, a stoker born Ringwood Hampshire. Do you have evidence of such a marriage?
I can see that Amy's daughter Rose named her father as a John Seymour born Liverpool. She also named her mother as Amy Constance Smith so I think there may have been some invention there.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7921/images/ONMS932_583-0225?pId=1016322
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Perhaps didn't marry him. One of Amy's decendents provided me with the info re John being the Cobra mariner. Haven't verified myself but I'm also sceptical.