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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: dudjac on Saturday 10 September 22 17:02 BST (UK)
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Hi. Cannot find a 1891 census entry for Henry Johns b.1858 St Anns Soho Westminster
London.
Having a lot of trouble finding this man before 1901.
Thanks for any help.
Dud.
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Was he married by then? Wife/childrens names?
Where is he living on the FindMyPast entry?
You really need to post the full 1901 entry so we know who the family members were
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Was he born in the Channel Islands but living in Soho
RG12
Piece number 88
Folio 51
Page 10
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rtv/
ADDED
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3YDW-DMM
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Piece 253 folio 128 indexed correctly on Ancestry as Johns
Wife Mary?
Children Alice, Lilian, Henry & Florence?
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Sorry this is a bit jumbled! Is this the one - shows him as born in Shoreditch.
Henry Johns Head 33 Waterside labourer b London
Mary Johns Wife 34 b London
Mary Johns dau 12 Scholar b London
Alice Johns dau 10 Scholar b Shoreditch, Middlesex
Lilian Johns dau 7 scholar b London, Middlesex
Henry Johns son 5 Scholar b London, Middlesex
Florence Johns daughter 0 b London, Middlesex
James Bishop lodger 44 Cabinet maker b London, Middlesex
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Same question asked above. Not enough info given from 1901 entry to determine correct entry
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Carole - Fair enough! Just thought the approx DOBs / ages might help.
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Same entry on 1901 but birthplace again Shoreditch whereas post says St Annes Soho Westminster.
Poster mentions "before 1901" so assumption is he has the 1901 entry in which case birthplace given is not the same as the 1891/1901 entries for the family above
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Must admit I get quite confused with birth places shown from different souces eg GRO and Parish Churches.
If the original poster has any more information, as you suggest, perhaps we can pinpoint the relevant info.
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I agree with you re birthplaces - cause a lot of confusion. If the poster has him in 1901 & his birthplace is given as St Annes Soho - it's a different person than the one found in 1891
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Maybe
1901 610/31/7
Henry John, 50 yrs b Soho, London
He is single and a Journeyman Bootmaker boarding in Aldershot.
Contribution from Ancestry member - Johns.
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That man looks to have married by 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8C-KKM
His age is 50yrs
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1901 entry would give a birthyear of 1851 & 1911 - 1861 but post says 1858
I really think we need to wait for dudjac to clarify the 1901 entry
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Thanks for all of your rep[lies.
In 1901 henry Johns was in Aldershot employed as a bootmaker. ...as Heywood says. On the 1901 census Henry is given as 50 years old (b.1851), single and born in Soho, London.
In 1911 the census shows Henry as still in Aldershot but is married and residing at Perowne Street.
He apparently is still 50 years old. The fact that he says he is married is untrue. He gives his wife as Ellen Johns but in fact there was no marriage. She is Ellen Weedon (nee Mason)
They are renting a room from Ellens brother. Also on the census are two children. One is Amelia
(my mother) born 1911. What is not mentioned is that Ellen has three other children in a childrens home in Crondall. Ellen and Henry had another daughter soon after but she died as a baby. Henry then disappears and I cannot find any trace thereafter. A death of a Henry Johns in Aldershot about 1935 is NOT my Henry
Some three years after Henrys disappearance Ellen reverts back to her previous married name of
Weedon and marries a George Sotheran in Aldershot.
Henry Johns is my grandfather on my mothers side. I can find no definite results as to where Henry came from prior 1901 and where he disappears to after 1911.
Hope this is clear.
Dud.
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Have you checked 1921? I have to say, I can’t see him as John/s.
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You say the 1936 death is not your Henry.
That Henry Johns was 73 so birth year completely out. However - there is no other Henry Johns in Aldershot in 1901 or 1911 although I accept that could have changed in the 25 yrs to the death.
Don’t know about the 1921?
Can you tell us why you have ruled him out?
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I believe that the Henry that died 1936 was a Henry Johns born 1862 in Hartley Witney (Aldershot.) He was a gardener by profession. I have the death certificate of this Henry. which shows he was a gardener although no relatives were given on the certificate. He died in Aldershot hospital. Dud.
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Definitely rules him out