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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Nevthedigger on Tuesday 06 September 22 08:15 BST (UK)
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Slim chance but I'm hoping someone can identify this location. The building in the centre, behind the bushes, has a sign which appears to say The New Inn (I can see 'The Ne ...'). The photo dates to around 1910.
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For what it's worth I would say this was part of a small town rather than a village, simply because of the gas street light over on the right. A village is unlikely to have had a mains gas supply.
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Somewhere in northern England, because of the dry stone walling and type of stone. It looks more like a village than a town to me, but the gas supply would mean it's not very remote, and the blackening of the stone suggests it's not too far from places churning out a lot of smoke.
Is there anything written on the reverse, or does the photo's provenance suggest any particular area?
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A local village to us was supplied with gas by our gasworks in the 1890s, so it could be a village or an outlying area as long as it's not too remote.
There's nothing on the back, and it came with a collection of family photos from Morpeth but there were others in there too. A lot of the postcards in the collection had been sent to the same address in Holmfirth and another one in Denby Dale, both in the Huddersfield region.
I'm in West Yorkshire and it does have a northern look to it in my opinion.
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I thought for a moment I'd found it as the New Inn, Mount Tabor - up on a hill to the NW of Halifax. (Now called the Spring Head)
The location at a junction and the gradient and curve in the road look about right, but unfortunately the RH end of the building is wrong, and the building in the foreground on the left is completely different (see press cutting of 22 Sep 1950 near the top of the page linked to below). There's more about it on the link, including a fairly recent picture, but I'm really mentioning it as one that I think can be ruled out.
http://www.halifaxpeople.com/Historic-MountTabor-and-Wainstalls.html
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What a gorgeous old Daimler bus in that article!
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I'll throw this one in:
https://www.canalandriversidepubs.co.uk/pubs/gu-milton-keynes-marsworth/photo/new-inn.html
Lots of new houses around it. It would be a shame if the lovely big brick place had been bulldozed...
I didn't realise there were so many pubs called "The New Inn" in Blighty... (Assuming it is indeed The New Inn... :D)
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If the feeling is that this could be in West Yorkshire, Ancestry has a collection of Alehouse Licences for the period 1771 - 1962 which is searchable by pub name. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2563/
Obviously there aren't any pictures but it might help with compiling a contemporary list of possible contenders.
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Pennines or Peak District perhaps.
Lots of men standing around as if they are waiting for something to happen/come along.
Mining area???
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My first thought was Yorkshire and the Holmfirth area would fit the bill nicely. The windows on the house to the right suggest Yorks. rather than the Peak District and is that a plod I see second from the left or a military man?
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Yes, Ray. I agree about the uniform. I think him and the many men who seem to be waiting for something to happen, could indicate a march or demonstration.
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Looks like they have been hanging around waiting for a while, as the dog is lying down. ;D
I can't quite work out the building. Is the inn one building? I thought there was another building behind it at first, but zooming in makes it look as though the extra bit on the right has actually been tacked on to the main building. Or am I seeing it completely wrong?!
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Yes it's tacked on, but I wouldn't assume it's necessarily an extension to the pub; it may be a separate house. The reason it looks strange is that the shared wall that adjoins the pub isn't parallel to the gable end next to the road giving the extension a trapezoid floor plan. If you look at the shadow cast by the gutter on the extension it has the same depth on both sides of the down pipe, meaning the two walls old and new lie on the same plane.
Interesting that it has a bricked up window. It's possible it was built before 1851 when the window tax was abolished, but since the tax had been in existence from the start of the eighteenth century, why build the window in the first place?
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Are a couple of the men in the group holding flags (or something attached to poles) or is it my imagination.
Chris
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Going back to the original post. Am I correct in that the only confirmed name is "New" and it is only likely that the next word is "Inn"? I suppose there is a slim chance it isn't New Inn and could be another name. Could widen our search a bit perhaps.
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Can't seen anyone holding flags, Chris. Will look more closely.
BUT! Anyone know whether the person is the white garment is a vicar perhaps?
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Going back to the original post. Am I correct in that the only confirmed name is "New" and it is only likely that the next word is "Inn"? I suppose there is a slim chance it isn't New Inn and could be another name. Could widen our search a bit perhaps.
I would have thought we are trying to narrow the search! https://www.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/wink.gif On the assumption that the sign is equally spaced under the window, the missing part is only long enough to contain the 'w' of New plus about two or three more letters, assuming there is a space after New. I suppose it could be something like The New Dog, but really since we haven't eliminated all the possible New Inns, aren't we in danger of making the task harder by looking for alternatives?
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I take your point, Andy.
Now what are the thoughts about the chap wearing white? He does rather stand out.
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Are a couple of the men in the group holding flags (or something attached to poles) or is it my imagination.
Chris
I thought that, too. (That there are flags on poles, not that it is your imagination. ;D)
Yes it's tacked on, but...
Thanks for clarifying that, Andy! Good point about the bricked-up window.
BUT! Anyone know whether the person is the white garment is a vicar perhaps?
I wondered about it being a miller's smock, or a long butcher's coat.
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BUT! Anyone know whether the person is the white garment is a vicar perhaps?
I wondered about it being a miller's smock, or a long butcher's coat.
I thought it might be a butcher, too. I think a vicar would normally only wear a surplice in church or in its immediate surroundings, eg for a burial in the churchyard.
I've just noticed that the main part of the pub's roof has slates (possibly fairly recent?) whereas the extension has stone. I'm not sure whether that gets us anywhere, but it's another reason for it not to be the one at Mount Tabor (see my reply #4), as the whole of that roof is stone. As I understand it, a stone roof might sometimes be replaced by slate, but I don't think the opposite is true.
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Thanks for all the good points raised so far. I think the man in white is definitely a miller or baker, or something like that. I reckon they are all gathered because of the presence of the photographer - they often drew a curious assembly.
This is a close-up of the people in the photo.
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Also here is a closer view of the sign.
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I think 'white smock' is a lady ... all the men wearing hats, she is not. Maybe her children playing.
They are standing in a cul-de-sac, the main thoroughfare going uphill across the picture, with the pub sign on that road.
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Two good points there. On closer inspection it does look like a female.
On the floor just to the right of the policeman (or railway station master?) I can see a crossing, often put at road junctions when roads were less well made. That to me says the main road does cross from left to right, with the pub on this main street.
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I agree - white-smock person looks like a lady. :)
Not entirely sure about the way the road goes, though. The top-to-bottom road looks a lot wider than the left-to-right road, but it could be an optical illusion.
Also not sure about it being a dead end: There is a wall at the end (at the "back" of the photo), but it does look as thought the road might continue round to the left and possibly to the right.
The close-up of the pub name does indeed appear to show "THE NE...". The letter after "N" certainly appears to be an "E". And as Andy mentioned earlier, if the sign has been placed centrally, there are not too many other likely names.
Of course, if the village is called e.g. Nene, it could theoretically be something like "THE NENE ARMS".
But whatever the word beginning with "NE" is, it must be short.
Edit: I forgot something. ::)
What I thought looked a bit like flags actually appear to be either decorative bits on the front of the houses, or possibly supports (buttresses).
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has the pub bought the small house next door to extend?
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New Inn, Denby, Huddersfield, Yorks
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185361839087?hash=item2b286d33ef:g:tPUAAOSwNK5e64xz&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsF1SocaRjZUk8wPsOz6Wq1w6eDjHQB9%2B%2FRytvBTEGSad4BDTvu4Siknah4FK23VtYxVmP24EktMk%2BLP6kzELxEWMqZDrsUwamsImpltfjWKGX9rdFIRrCcDuocB6XU0t8swLgLeGhkZZchbZS8p05fY4WiK7Kp%2FDfz06RO97H20GLX%2BJl5Vv0HWMg3vP%2FTVhJlEfIxnkSI9Rt%2BsZ65S%2ByanI0aMKitVoMzR52AcTwKpF%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR96t1YHjYA
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Cracking find...Well done Sugar :)
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:) Didn't want to give up on this one ... just kept looking.
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Oh wow ... ! That's the one alright. Many thanks. I did a Google Maps search of the Denby Dale area for the New Inn but it came up with nothing. I assume it must have either changed its name or closed.
Many thanks ..... My quest is now at a satisfactory end. :)
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:)
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Great find Sugarbakers ;D
Carol
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Here's the modern view, at Upper Denby, on the hill above Denby Dale. The New Inn is now a private house (and yes it was New Inn, it's on the old maps).
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Well done all - special thanks to Sugarbakers .... another victory for Rootschat. :) :) :)
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Well done, sugarbakers - link to Closed Pubs page, though it doesn't add much other than to confirm what you've found:
http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/yorkshire/upperdenby_newinn.html
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Excellent find!
Well done!
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Amazing! Well done Sugarbaker!
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Brilliant, sugarbakers! Very well done indeed. ;D
(Hmmm...We need a few more smileys here: A thumbs-up smiley, and maybe a happy dancing smiley :) )
How I love these threads!
Now all we need to do is find Treetotal's stepped-gable building, and I'll be ecstatic! :P